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In today's Epoc Digest 25 messages:
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- TomTom Navigator for EPOC
- MEMOWARE / MICHAEL DEGN
- Travel Modem / Production of 5mx / Tom Tom
- Memoware, netBook OS.
- Re: Macintosh and CF cards
- Re: Psion-Teklogix, 9210 and an 'updated' 5mx
- Upgrading the Series 7 ROM...
- 9210 specs, Bluetooth battery, cardboard tunnels
- 9210 connecting, Colour, Psion, OS6, Tunnel, 9210 experiences,
- Search and replace in Sheet
- Nokia 9210
- 'Open' SMTP-server
- Psion Sale! : Ranger diskette drive
- Nokia 6310
- 2ConnectU
- ebooks: probert et al still free
- netBook
- GPRS trouble more..
- Re: Nokia Communicator 9210 as Revo replacement?
- Log files
- Re: O2 GPRS Roaming
- Re: Psion & Ericsson T68
- Re: Bluetooth headsets
- Hungarian Mount Everest expedition
- Re: netBook as consumer product
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 16:51:35 +0000
From: Emil Granström
Subject: TomTom Navigator for EPOC
Dont know if you all have seen it yet but TomTom has announced thge release of Navigator
for PocketPC devices. Navigator seems the very logical upgrade to Street and Route Planner.
I mailed them to see if Navigator also where scheduled for EPOC and got the answer below.
I might be hoping to much here but perhaps we together can show Palmtop that there still are many users of the EPOC platform and that they should relese Navigator for EPOC too.
So all those in favour for a "upgrade" to Street and Route Planner please let Palmtop know that you are interested in seeing Navigator for EPOC.
>Thanks for your mail. Currently, we do not have plans to release Navigator for
>Epoc devices.. However, we have filed your suggestion and will use it as input.
>We will continue support Epoc .
>Watch our website at http://www.tomtom.com to stay informed of new releases.
>Regards,
>TomTom Customer Servic>http://www.tomtom.com
Another thought that sprung to my mind is that to my knowledege this is the first SW that Palmtop relesed for PocketPC only. Palmtop as such started by developing for EPOC only and PocketPC showed up just recently. I guess its just a logical (?) result after Psions actions...
Brg
Emil
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 19:02:56 +0000
From: Peter Keene
Subject: MEMOWARE / MICHAEL DEGN
Hi Guys,
For Vlad Arghir re Memoware takeover:
I don't know the answer to your question Vlad, but when I visited Memoware's website last week Probert's was still there. It was a two year old version so maybe an updated version has gone commercial.
Pocket PC magazine ran a very favourable article on TR in its May 2002 edition and as we know, when the MS brigade arrives people start seeing $ signs. By the way, according to the article, updated versions of TR are planned for all platforms including EPOC. Whether that will be for ER 5 or for Symbian version 6/7 (or both) is not stated.
For Michael Degn:
Great to have you back officially Michael.
Regards,
Peter
Cape Town
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 19:52:10 +0000
From: "Thomas F. van der Zijden"
Subject: Travel Modem / Production of 5mx / Tom Tom
Hi group,
First, a big 'thanks' to Rolf for his experiments with his Psion equipment!
Right, now I AM intrigued. I definitely have my problem with all of my infrared equipment. It cuts the link whenever the Psion has anything else to do than just communicating with the Travel
Modem or Nokia 7110. I have M.C.U. 2.0 (and 1.1) installed as you suggested. Both my time-out settings are set to 30 minutes. A
quick 'ATI3' to my modem confirmed that I have the exact same firmware as the splendidly working modems of all of my Dutch colleagues. But whenever the Psion has something 'difficult' to do - even opening a dialogue screen in some circumstances- it's "bye
bye connection"!
It seems not to come from the ISP, because if I leave the 5mx and the T.M. alone without any signals between the two the connection can be kept open for many minutes. It almost looks like the 5mx therefore gives an active 'disconnect' signal!
Things work better without the CF card. Even e-mail starts up faster - but I have the messages on c: and the programme itself in ROM. So what on earth has e-mail to do with the CF?
When e-mail starts up faster, the T.M. does not drop the connection.
I received my fixed line phone bill today. About 5 euros of internet costs, consisting for nearly 100% of connection fees (KPN charges about 7cts for the start-up and 1-2cts for the connection; it's therefore about 70 times that 7cts I got charged). :-(
Production of the 5mx:
Itamar, I think it is even worse. The 'last batch of 5mx's ever' Expansys talks about IS the restart of the 5mx production.
According to Steve Litchfield on the newsgroups Psion just decided to order only 1000 new 5mx's. Most interesting...
TomTom:
There was a question of a new EPOC user on Symbian.info if StreetPlanner was any good. A SIBO user advised against it,
because Palmtop wasn't any good at real updates. He still has an outdated version. Seems it happens again with the EPOC
versions...
But... can we really blame them for it?
Yours truly,
Thomas van der Zijden
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 20:52:44 +0000
From: Trygve Henriksen
Subject: Memoware, netBook OS.
Greetings!
vlad arghir wrote:
> Some files at MemoWare (as far as I could see, mostly if not only those in
> TR-Format) now bear the label "exclusive". I know that MemoWare was
> acquired a few months ago by a US firm...
> Anyone knows what that means?
It mostly means that they've made the files in-house, or the producer have promised not to get them published anywhere else.
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Rolf Brunsting wrote:
> << You know, the netBook will NEVER be able to run ER6 because it
> doesn't have the same hardware as the new machines. (The OS on an
> EPOC/Symbian design is VERY related to the underlying hardware) >>
> You must be joking as this would make Symbian OS useless for the
> purpose of Symbian's mobile phone partners and licensees.
No joke. Most of the changes in V6.0 has to do with the changes in the hardware. Yes, Psion could rewrite the V6.0 core to run on the older hardware, but why?
Don't confuse it with the new GUI introduced in V6.0. THAT is much easier to transfer. But again: why?
The V6.0 GUI was made to be more 'minimalistic' and simple so as to fit better on a small screen. (Also, the memory maps and other graphics have been reduced to fit better on a machine with less RAM)
Because of the changed GUI you'd probably end up with very few of the old programs working on the new OS. (OPL programs have a better chance, though)
I don't know what changes have been introduced in the V7.0 design, so I can't say anything for certain about that, except that it'll be up to individual licensees to decide if it will be available or not.
On the other hand, there are a few changes that Psion SHOULD do to the OS on the netBook...
I finally got GPRS running, and can state with certainty that the ROM 158 image DEFINITELY needs the 'Mobile Connectivity Update V2.0'...
And this for an image released this year?
:-)
Trygve
Who's expecting to add a Palm M100 to his collection any day now...
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 21:20:42 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Macintosh and CF cards
Dear Vlad,
<< I have tried formatting with a MAC in PC format. It's ok, but the Mac Finder leaves some invisible files behind. If u delete them, u strangely damage the CF-format for the Psion as well ... And if u copy PSion System-data from CF to the Mac you damage the CF as well (and hang the Mac!)... Strange... >>
Not strange at all as the Apple Macintosh has used its own file storage system right from the very first model. Putting a Mac formatted data carrier in a PC, or vice versa, is asking for trouble. Whether the data carrier is a diskette, CF card or other. The only thing that works is to have a diskette formatted PC-fashion and to have the Macintosh mount it as a PC disk. Whether this also works for CF cards is something I can't tell.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 21:20:46 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Psion-Teklogix, 9210 and an 'updated' 5mx
Dear Itamar,
<< Re. netBook - Yes, I understand it is not a consumer product. But how long will Companies decide to purchase the netBook when the future (development) is unsure ? Back in 1993 we purchased a unix based system ... In 1998 we switched to Windows as it is the standard ... >>
I'm afraid you're thinking about a general office environment but that's not the market Psion-Teklogix operates in. The vertical application market is much more application specific. Allow me to give you an example from the time I worked in petrochemical instrumentation. Think about the major oil companies and the tanktrucks delivering petrol, diesel and LPG to a network of petrol stations. You can equip each truck with a netPad and cradle that's linked to a number of on-board systems. The way the netPad is used is as follows.
When the truck driver arrives at the refinery or depot to start his/her shift (s)he picks up the netPad that's already pre-programmed with the petrol stations (s)he has to visit, what's to be delivered as well as the route planning for the trip. The driver places the netPad in the truck's cradle, has the truck filled up at the loading rack and drives off. An on-board GPS receiver allows the driver to see on a map on the netPad's display where (s)he is and which directions to take.
Having arrived at the (first) petrol station, the driver initiates the delivery by pressing an on-screen button on the netPad. The netPad then contacts the station's tank gauging system by radio link, interrogating the product volumes in the tanks as well as their free space. This allows the netPad to check whether the 6,000 litres of 95 octane leadfree petrol the station manager ordered can be put into the tank. When that's the case, the metering system on the truck is pre-set by the netPad to a 6,000l drop from truck compartment 3 containing the petrol. When the tank's free space doesn't allow a 6.000l drop, the metering system is pre-set to the tank's actual free space. The netPad then signals the driver to proceed.
The driver lifts the netPad out of the cradle and puts it on his/her belt, leaves the truck, connects the delivery hose, and presses an on-screen button on the netPad for the delivery to start. This command is sent to the truck's metering system using a radio link. Delivery starts and the netPad interrogates the tank gauging system wirelessly to monitor the level in the station's tanks and check whether the right product lands in the right tank. When that's not the case, as the level in the diesel tank is rising, the netPad will:
a) Abort the delivery,
b) Send a wireless message to the petrol station's site controller to lock the sale of diesel,
c) Send an SMS to the oil company's dispatch controller,
and,
d) Inform the driver by means of an on-screen alarm message.
The dispatch controller can then arrange to have the contaminated diesel removed from the tank and for a refill with clean diesel. And the driver will receive instructions from the dispatch controller how to proceed by SMS on the netPad's screen.
When everything's fine (the petrol's put in the right tank) the truck's metering system pre-set will kick in at 6,000l and the flow is stopped. This is signalled to the netPad, which will then interrogate the truck meter to get the actual delivery volume. Say that this is a volume of 6,023l of petrol. The netPad then interrogates the station's tank gauging system as well as the site controller. The end volume in the tank plus the volume in the hose minus the start volume in the tank minus the petrol sold during delivery should then be equal to 6,023±15l. When that's not the case an SMS message is sent by the netPad to the dispatch controller and the driver will receive instruction by return SMS.
As the volumes do match the netPad signals to the driver (s)he can proceed. Which can be the delivery of another product to the same station or the trip to the next petrol station on the list. However, the petrol station's duty manager has to sign-off the delivery before the driver leaves. In other words, the manager scribbles his/her signature in an entry box on the netPad.
When all deliveries have been performed the truck's driven back to the refinery or distribution depot. The driver lifts the netPad from the truck cradle, goes to the dispatch office and places it in one of the cradles there. The dispatch office's loss control system then reads all the recorded data from the netPad while it's recharged. What the loss control system then does is to compare the actual delivery volumes with what has been put into the truck via the loading rack metres. These volumes should match within a tolerance band of ±25 litres. The only link with an office environment is that the delivery volumes are passed on to the oil company's accounting system for billing purposes.
The netPad of the example is quite different from the handheld computers and PDAs we're familiar with. It doesn't have the applications like Agenda, Data and Sheet we consider to be standard. It only runs the delivery and loss control tools tailored to the oil company's infrastructure. The same will apply to quite a number of netBooks Psion-Teklogix supplies itself or via value added resellers and system integrators. Others will run a subset of the 'standard' applications plus the corporate tools. An insurance claims surveyor may only have Agenda, Contacts, Word and Email on his/her netBook, for example. This is the reason why the netBook loads the operating system plus applications in a protected section of system RAM. It gives the customer and system integrator the possibility to create custom software sets.
<< How long will Psion-Teklogix be able to stay in the market ? do we have any knowledge about the sales of the netBook ? Is it sufficient to continue the development ? >>
I trust you'd also like to know next week's winning lottery numbers. I'm afraid it's best that you do a little background research yourself as this will give you a better feel for the company. Visit the Psion-Teklogix web site, read their 2001 Annual Report, get a copy of their latest quarterly statement, etc.
As for development, a sizeable part of Psion-Teklogix' development is either directly project funded or comes to them via system integrators. That is, a customer wants to have X and its development is paid out of the total contract price. Other features will be of longer term benefit and are for (say) 60% paid out of the contract. With Psion-Teklogix getting the remainder from applying the feature in other projects. What the company will also do is to apply features developed by system integrators in the form of licensing.
<< Re. 9210 specs - Yes, but is is rather heavy for a phone when going out at night when you don't need all the other functions with you ... >>
Have a think about the number of times you can really do without the handheld computer or won't be carrying it. When the answer is "Most of the time" a 9210(i) will probably not be the right choice. However, when you do carry a mobile phone as well as a handheld computer most of the time their combined weight and size should be compared to that of a 9210.
<< You disagree, but I suppose the typing on the 9210 is a lot more difficult than on the 5MX and for example I use my 5MX extensively for emailing, writing reports and letters >>
The same "Will I be able to use the keyboard" question applies to the Series 3, Series 5 and Revo. There's a good chance you'll be able to use a 9210 when you were able to use your Series 3a for the above jobs in past. Still, the only person who's able to answer the "Will I ... " question is you, yourself.
<< Re. Headset - I never understood people using these headsets, you look like a person working at a telephone exchange or a traffic controller or so >>
The headsets you've seen are probably the ones that have the microphone on a boom near to the person's mouth. The Ericsson HBH-15 and HBH-30 Bluetooth headsets are like that. The Motorola headset Andy's talking about is an "ear plug" less than 2" in diameter with only a small stub of a microphone boom. The Nokia HDW-1 I referred to looks more like hearing aid with the electronics behind the ear. I prefer a Bluetooth headset because it isn't tied to my car the way a kar-kit is. I can use it whenever and wherever it's advantageous to have my hands free.
<< Re. Future Psion's - I basically agree with your answer, but for the needed software update from v.5 to v.6. We had the same problem from the S3 to the S5 withthe software being incompatible, we all complained but most took the jump and most software was rewritten >>
Psion's sales were already relatively low. An updated Series 5mx using Symbian OS 6 won't radically change this. Many people will wait till the third-party software they need becomes available.
And what you forget is that Symbian OS 6 also means Nokia 9210, Nokia 7650 plus the Nokia Series 60 based smartphones by Samsung, Matsushita and Siemens. It's a safe bet to say that Series 60 based devices will quickly outnumber the updated Series 5mx. Jorma Ollila, Nokia's chairman, has mentioned there's a very strong interest in the 7650 when he presented Nokia's quarterly results on he 18th.
Which makes it likely that Symbian OS developers will concentrate on Series 60 rather than the updated 5mx. And we have to reckon with the developers that have already left the Psion scene and won't return. Meaning that a number of the applications people currently use won't be ported from EPOC Release 6 to Symbian OS 6. What's more, it leaves the question of hardware parity with the competition unanswered.
I'm sorry, but an 'updated' Series 5mx won't do. Psion needs a firecracker of a device as successor to the 5mx. Not some microwaved left-over meal.
--
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 21:25:28 +0000
From: "Mike Fellhauer"
Subject: Upgrading the Series 7 ROM...
>Date: 23 Jul 2002 13:55:00 +0000
>From: Itamar Engelsman
>
>The price difference between the two is considerable, but the S7 is/will be >discontinued, is slower, OS in ROM not uppgradable,
Actually there *WAS* a flash upgrade to the Series 7 ROM, written about over at Foxpop. Unfortunately the FTP software link no longer works...but still an interesting read, http://www.foxpop.ndirect.co.uk/s7upgrade.htm Maybe Psion could make those files available again.
Mike
Secretary of the Psion Enthusiasts Association of Toronto
http://www.phaedrav.com/peat/
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 22:02:53 +0000
From: Kevin Thorne
Subject: 9210 specs, Bluetooth battery, cardboard tunnels
Reply to Itamar Engelsman:
<9210 specs - Yes, but is is rather heavy for a phone when going out at night when you don't need all the other functions with you ... . I suppose the typing on the 9210 is a lot more difficult than on the 5MX and for example I use my 5MX extensively for emailing, writing reports and letters. Could one do that easily on the 9210 without making many mistakes ? Any 9210 owners maybe ?>
No, you can't type on it easily without making mistakes (especially when using the multifunction 4 way rocker switch). This is my biggest gripe with the 9210 (the second is the stingy amount of RAM - 8Mb ain't enough!) I find it's not just the size of the keys but they also feel a bit "rubbery". The S5 is streets ahead in keyboard friendliness (no surprises there). I don't suppose anyone would disagree that, for it's size, the S5 keyboard is still the standard to which all other palmtops are judged so the 9210 is up against the best if we are making comparisons between the two. Yes, it is also a bit of a brick to carry if you only want the phone functions. The integration between phone and palmtop functions is very good but the price to pay for this is of course the size and weight - it's not too unwieldy but it's no Nokia 8210 either!
Reply to Andy Hayes:
<Kevin, you mentioned no way to achieve Bluetooth on a 9210. Now I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, but there is a bluetooth battery available for the 6210 (a non-bluetooth phone). Don't ask me where I saw it, may have been Expansys, but I am not sure. It was hellishly expensive as I remember (130ukp leaps to mind). Is there nothing similar for the 9210?>
Not at the moment. I contacted Nokia about this but they don't seem to be able to confirm if these Bluetooth batteries will be available for other models. My guess is they won't but instead they will just add it as a built-in function to future models as they get released. As you say, the price of 130ukp puts me off as I could get a new phone with this technology already built-in for little more than that. This I would do tomorrow if only there were some way of getting this connection option to work on a S7/netBook. We've got plenty of hardware expansion options to physically do it, just no drivers to make it happen :-(
<The more I hear about the Psion IR modems, the more I like my Pegasus 3. No cardboard tunnels here!>
You made the right decision! But if I recall correctly from earlier postings, yours is the one using a serial connection, not IR which I'd guess is more reliable anyway. My old Travel Modem (14.4bps serial) worked flawlessly and I'm forever kicking myself for selling it on for next to nothing! Did Pegasus ever release the IR model and if so, can anyone confirm it works faultlessly via IR connection? I believe they still make them too, which is good news :-)
Regards
Kevin Thorne
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Date: 23 Jul 2002 23:47:28 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: 9210 connecting, Colour, Psion, OS6, Tunnel, 9210 experiences,
Answer to: Chris Matthee
Re. 9210 connecting - It is possible, but difficult ? What does the program eInternet do ? I understand from your answer that the 9210 itself does not come set up for extra modems and that you either need techincal sdk knowledge or the 3rd party software to do it ? Any other remarks bout the 9210 of interest to us all ? Thanks.
Answer to: Andy Hayes
Re. RISCOS - Sorry, but what is "RISCOS" ?
Answer to: Jan R Gustafsson
Re. Colour - For people that do a lot of typing, don't forget that colour is not only the nice different colours, but also text with white background and black letters, which means better contrast = easier on the eyes. With age I suppose that will be(come) a factor.
Answer to: Rolf Brunsting
Re. Psion - Teklogix with 2 products is not exactly that viable in my humble opinion (who has seen Teklogix products in their own Company or Companies you visited ?), Digital will be fased out, Symbian is only partially owned by Psion and so it will be a Symbian/software Company with no own hardware products. So why to call it still Psion in a few years ? Most probably it will be swallowed up by one of the larger players in the field. Anyhow, I was only "wondering out loud", theorising where anyone's ideas are as valid as the other.
Re. OS6 - You wrote "Symbian produced version 6 of its Symbian OS mainly for the Company's licensees manufacturing mobile phones" - so theoretically it could adjust the OS6 for other uses like the netBook as you wrote. The advantage for Teklogix would be better programs that will sell their products, like multiple sheets in Sheet for example.
Answer to: Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN
Re. Tunnel - It was not me that made a "tunnel", I only use a piece of paper from the top of my 5MX to the top of the modem (in a slant), but did suggest a toilet roll might do the trick <G>. But again, O2 NL was someone else. With Vodaphone in the UK we get a fixed tariff for calls made in Europe, irrespective of whether it was an internal call or not. As to the ISP, that is one of the reasons I still use my Compuserve classic account in that they have local access numbers in most countries and larger cities. At abt. 7 pound per month in my humble opinion still good value for money (and it allows me to send this digest from my Psion without the BCC fields showing .... <G>).
Answer to: Peter Rand
RE. 9210 experiences - Well, keep us updated after the week with your experiences and opinion. Thanks
Bye,
Itamar Engelsman
London, United Kingdom
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 03:44:56 +0000
From: "Howard"
Subject: Search and replace in Sheet
Hello
Does anyone know how to perform search and replace in Sheet on a 5mx?
All the best
Howard
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 05:21:09 +0000
From: "Gary Y Reyes"
Subject: Nokia 9210
>Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:41 +0000
>From: Rolf Brunsting
>
>Subject: Re: Nokia 9210(i)
>
>Dear Gary,
>It's not fair to compare the 9210(i) with the 8310
Rolf,
My apologies if I was not clear. Not attempting to compare the two Nokias. It is just for me owning one integrated unit versus separate phone and PDA doesn't work.
On weekends and non-working days I only need a phone so the Psion stays home. And the compact 8310 that can go into my small shirt pocket (by the way, I wear a size "S" shirt) works very well.
I use the SMS feature extensively for business. When driving, I could get an SMS message that needs a reply. When stopped at a light, I can easily whip out the 8310, read my SMS and key back a reply -- all with one hand. The 9210 would be a bit unwieldy in this case.
At regular meetings I attend, I don't want to be bothered by phone calls so I put the phone away. My Psion with its decent-sized keys, where I thumb type copious notes, is very handy.
The rare times when I need to download and send email in the field or when I need to make sure I have a copy of an SMS message, I whip out both the Psion and the 8310 and connect.
Nokia makes good product -- I've owned Siemens, Philips, Ericsson -- and find the Nokia the best of all. But as to which form:
As they say, to each his own.
Gary
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 10:03:40 +0000
From: "Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN"
Subject: 'Open' SMTP-server
Hello group,
On my question about open SMTP-servers to be used with KPN InternetDirect NL I received an answer from Tijmen Brugman, who discovered www.softhome.net . This allows its SMTP-server to be used with either SMTP-authentification (which is a slight problem with Psions) or POP-before-SMTP (which can be done by Psions). The bad news is that softhome itself also needs inscription. Therefore, you still cannot 'just' go to the Netherlands and fully enjoy Internet.
Softhome might still be interesting for people who use a different ISP in every country they visit.
Do other countries also have these 'free for everyone without subscription' dialup numbers? We might want to make a database of them? Didn't anybody on the UPS5D do this already, so I seem to remember?
Yours truly,
Thomas van der Zijden
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 10:28:14 +0000
From: Darryl Kempster
Subject: Psion Sale! : Ranger diskette drive
Seems to be the sale season for Psions at the moment. Got back to London and nipped straight up to Staples Corner for a £20 Travel modem from PC World. Also picked up Mobile Comms Software for Series 3 for £3! Finally have Psimail Internet on SSD.
Then steamed down to Berrys (Authorised Psion Dealer) in Holborn and found they've discounted their whole Psion stock! Series 7 for £500 Itamar? They have loads of boxed software and other bits and bobs : Route Planner Millenium (£5) Street Planner Millenium (£5) MacConnect (£5) InfraRed Printer Adaptor (£20) Universal Travel Adaptor (£20) Berlitz Phrase Book (£20) Financial Calculator (£5) Money (£5) V Rally (£10) Expense Manager (£5) Psiwin 2.1 (£5) Vehicle Power Adaptor and lots of other stuff.
For anyone interested here are their details :-
Berrys
77 Kingsway
London WC2B 6ST
020 74056232
www.berrys-direct.co.uk
Shasonics on Tottenham Court Road are also disposing of all their old S3 Psion stock.
Rolf Brunsting mentioned the Ranger diskette drive recently. Sounds like it would be possible to link this to my netBook which would be great - no need to install Psiwin so could download software/web pages from any PC onto disk then transfer to my Psion. Web browsing is only thing I use PC's for and as don't have one myself certain sites are impossible / too time consumiing to access from my Psion so have to borrow someone else's. And floppy discs are dirt cheap! So would be very interested in finding one for sale if anyone has an old one still knocking around.
Darryl
Back (briefly) in London
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 12:05:08 +0000
From: Bob.Cousins
Subject: Nokia 6310
Seeing all the mail on Nokias prompts me to ask if has anyone has experienced difficulty getting the Ir modem inside the Nokia 6310 to function correctly. My new laptop running Win2000 can only connect using the Ir port (no serial port these days-that's progress) but as soon as it starts the dial process it freezes the Ir in the phone and drops the call. In all other respects the port functions correctly. I've heard of others with the same problem but no-one with a solution. Nokia of course deny that there's any problem.
Any enlightenment anyone?
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 12:26:22 +0000
From: Philip S. Adkins Potter
Subject: 2ConnectU
Hi,
The English version of 2ConnectU appears to be available through Handango, go to <http://www.handango.com/> and follow the links to Symbian software, communication.
The blurb says it will only support Mac OS 9, Windoze (98, ME, NT 4.0, 200), Linux and Unix but as it only sits on the Psion and uses an internet protocol it probably talks to quite a lot of other systems. It apparently runs on any ER5 device. Since it uses an internet comms protocol it shouldn't be very picky.
Unfortunately I couldn't download the program as the page "cannot be found". The redirection is to the address Rolf gave
<www.2ksystems.at/2connectu/eng/product/Trial/Trial.html>.
I've eMailed the authors and Handango to tell them.
Good luck,
Phil.
"A touchstone to determine the actual worth of an intellectual -
find out how he feels about astrology."
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 13:33:30 +0000
From: Astrid Stappenbeck
Subject: ebooks: probert et al still free
Re: e-books
vlad arghir wrote:
>I have just received an ad-email from>They offer the "Probert Encyclopaedia complete" >for USS 29. This used to be freely available on >the http://www.memoware.com/ site. >How come? Is the free ride over?
>Some files at MemoWare (as far as I could see, >mostly if not only those in TR-Format) now bear >the label "exclusive". I know that MemoWare was >acquired a few months ago by a US firm... >Anyone knows what that means?
Items marked with the 'exclusive' symbol are documents that can only be found at MemoWare. They have made special arrangements with the copyright holders of these documents to offer them. They are still free to download and in tr-format. The mobipocket version seems to include some pictures but apart from that I really don't know, why anybody would prefer that format to tr for an encyclopedia. Tr has great compression and searching for entries is fast and comfortable.
I understand (to some extent) buying mopipocket files when you're looking for new stuff, which is still under copyright. Otherwise - why spend money on it? Memoware's archives are huge, there's project Gutenberg around and many others.
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 18:21:08 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: netBook
Someone told me that the production of the netBook is being moved to Canada, and that Psion/Teklogix would not plan such a move if they were planning to stop production altogether. According to my source this means that further development can be expected.
Bye,
Itamar Engelsman
London, United Kingdom
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 19:29:52 +0000
From: Christopher Marwood
Subject: GPRS trouble more..
Sorry to keep banging on about this one, I'm still trying to get connected to O2 GPRS while roaming in Holland (at home in Ireland its working fine)... My S45 is not connecting by itself (except on three occasions in the past week) so this is not really a Psion problem, but perhaps the Psion logs can offer a clue?
Here are the last lines of a log of an attempted connect session which produced the error message: Comms Line Failed
If anyone feels they may be able to help sort this out I'd be hugely grateful - of course I can send the whole log - I didn't want to clutter up the digest any further...
With thanks, Chris
15.10:50:875000 Tx: AT +CGDCONT=1,"IP","INTERNET"
15.10:51:390625 Rx:
OK
15.10:51:406250 Tx: AT
15.10:51:906250 Rx:
OK
15.10:51:906250 Tx: ATD*99***1#
15.10:52:781250 Rx:
CONNECT
~ÿ}#À!}!}#} }=}!}$}'Ð}"}&} }*} } }'}"}(}"}%}&sóMw}#}%Â#}%ËÞ~
15.11:06:125000 Tx: AT
15.11:08:140625 Tx: +++
15.11:09:203125 Rx: ~ÿ}#À!}%}#} }$…r~
15.11:09:765625 Rx:
OK
15.11:09:765625 Tx: AT
15.11:09:859375 Rx:
OK
15.11:09:859375 Tx: ATO
15.11:09:984375 Rx:
CONNECT
15.11:10:703125 Tx: ATH
15.11:12:187500 Rx:
NO CARRIER
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 19:42:00 +0000
From: ALYG
(Andrew Longdon)
Subject: Re: Nokia Communicator 9210 as Revo replacement?
> From: peter.rand
> Got my hands on a Nokia Communicator 9210 that I can test for a week or > so. : :
> Form factor is very similar (fits in my pocket like the Revo), although > the Revo has a somewhat better keyboard.
I've not handled a Nokia 9210, but whilst I think my 5mx keyboard is very good, I have to say the Revo keyboard is awful - is the Nokia even worse...?
,\ndy
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 20:19:48 +0000
From: Jan R Gustafsson
Subject: Log files
Itamar wrote in an answer to: Christopher Marwood
>Re. Log files - You can create the following log files to check what is happening on a 5mx:
C:\Logs\Email\
C:\Logs\Etel
C:\Logs\Fax
C:\Logs\Mailtext
<
I tried to get a log file for Message (as Email is named on the MC218). It worked the way Itamar proposed (in spite of the Ericsson name change). A follow-up question: is this a "standard" on the 5mx/MC218? Can log files for other sw be written the same way?
Cheers,
Jan G
Stockholm, Sweden
-- This e-mail was sent from a Psion palmtop computer via IR and a GPRS-connected Ericsson T39 mobile phone --
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 21:16:41 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: O2 GPRS Roaming
Dear Christopher,
<< Not strictly a Psion question, but can anyone confirm if the O2 GPRS network in Holland is working OK? ... I get message "incorrect GPRS profile" or "network not responding" or "GPRS connection failure" I have not changed settings or profile since leaving UK where it was working OK >>
That you can do voice and data roaming with a British O2 (was BT Cellnet) phone on the Dutch O2 (was Telfort) network doesn't automatically mean you can do the same for GPRS. Vodafone was the first to offer GPRS roaming on the networks it has in a number of countries and others are slowly following. It's likely that O2's GPRS roaming is in a test phase, explaining why you twice got through but failed to connect at other times.
--
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 21:16:44 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Psion & Ericsson T68
Dear Brian,
<< I will save Edgar's email to me and, with his permission make them available to others who may be having difficulty with S7/T68 connections >>
I already have a description for setting up a Psion-T68 combination (and a long list of other mobile phones) while Mike McConnell also has one. Reason why I asked for your network operator is that some GPRS parameters are network specific, like the APN (Access Point Name).
--
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 21:16:48 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Bluetooth headsets
Dear Andy,
<< I looked at the Nokia headset, or at least the pictures of it. I also looked at a Motorola in the flesh in another shop. One of the assistants who had seen both said that the form factor of the Motorola is much smaller than the Nokia headset due to the much shorter microphone >>
I've seen the three Ericssons, the Motorola, Nokia, Plantronics plus another (which name I've forgotten) together in the flesh - or rather, in the plastic. (It's nice to have friends who work in the mobile phone industry.) The Nokia HDW-1 isn't as large as the sales assistant suggests but that's not the reason why I'm in favour of the Nokia. Go for size and the Nextlink BlueSpoon is the smallest you can get at the moment.
Thing is that, when you clip the Motorola on your ear, the electronics compartment is in front of the ear and easily visible. It's as if you've plugged your ear with a silver coin. While the Nokia's electronics compartment is behind the ear, just like a hearing aid, which makes it less obtrusive.
<< I must admit that I hadn't thought about the hands-free dialling, but it is something that I have never used before anyway >>
Well ... why wear a Bluetooth headset when you still have to take the 6310i out of your pocket when you want to make a call? Press the button on the headset, say the word "Office" and you're calling the company. Nokia's voice dialling system is good ad not easily disturbed by environment noise.
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 21:18:30 +0000
From: "Edgar Brazda Ph.D."
Subject: Hungarian Mount Everest expedition
Hi,
Last month the first Hungarian mountain climbing expedition reached the top of the world - Mount Everest - (after many unsuccessful attempts). Their whole computer system was a netBook. All logistics (following the food, drink, oxygen, medicine, etc. supply, route planning, communication with Hungary) were done with the help of our nice Psion machine. On former - training - expeditions in the Andes they used a 5mx, and were very satisfied with its reliability.
There is a picture -- +full article in Hungarian :-( on www.psion.hu website -- of mountain climber Eross (his name - nomen est omen - means Strong) with his netBook open in hand, right on the top of the world. What's the moral? If you need a sturdy machine with long battery life and readable screen in * extremely * strong sunlight, then buy a netBook (and a pair of sunglasses).
Edgar, Budapest
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Date: 24 Jul 2002 22:02:24 +0000
From: "Edgar Brazda Ph.D."
Subject: Re: netBook as consumer product
Hi,
I got - with Kind Regards - repetitive lessons from Rolf Brunsting about the netBook not being a consumer product, while many of the digesters expressed their wishes in this direction.
May I suggest, you are talking about two different things?
1. Yes we all comprehended that Psion never intended to sell netBook to the public. Anyway, this was quite obvious for the first instant, and the appearance and demise of the "slow-down" public version (S7) proves, that unfortunately the great minds at Psion were totally unable to handle the sudden and "unexpected" (quoted from an official Psion press-release at the time of introducing S7) popularity of the netBook among the "average" users.
This is similar to the situation of discontinuing and not-discontinuing and again not-not-discontinuing the 5mx: it talks about total uncertainty, lack of vision, which is very sad news, because.......
2. .....on the other hand the minute ideas of the minor user subgroups (or future-teller journalists) can not control the direction of the development
of future devices. Business plans, investments must follow strict trends.
Yes, we do not agree, because in my view Psion missed an opportunity (but not now but min. 2 years ago) not opening to the public, and yes, we agree, if a company is committed to the corporate market only, then they are not interested in the public's woes.
Edgar, Budapest
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