Unit 7
Doncaster Office Park
Punters Way
Kenilworth 7708
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 06:07:16 +0000
From: Emil Granström
Subject: SV: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 038
>Itamar wrote:
>Re. Navigator - For what it is worth, I sent them a request. I suppose the main advantage >is that it will recalculate the route when you go "off the track" ?
Yes and the addition of voice guidance as well as down to streetlevel navigation in one map. At least thats how I understood it.
Only future will tell if this will be available to us EPOC users.
/Emil
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:21:49 +0000
From: "Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN"
Subject: no subject
Hello group,
Re: free dialup in the UK
Rick, thanks for that info! It will be noted into my Psion and used the next time I visit the UK.
Re: Mobile phone costs
I forgot who mentioned that Vodafone has a uniform tariff for calling from a foreign to your home country and for calling to numbers in that foreign country, but Ben NL has this also...officially. Only... when you get the bill you see that this sometimes is not the case! Ben's formal answer: we charge what the foreign operator says us to charge.
Re: NS (Off-topic)
Yes, Rolf, I know it was a nasty statement! <BG>
But I still remember the day that all trains were blocked at Amersfoort, which was just (only just!) out of reach of the Dutchtone and Ben coverage area. I still remember the long, long lines in front of the Telfort pay phones (it was just after NS had abolished the pay phones of its competitor KPN from its railway stations) and I decided that NS should stay very clear away from any other commercial activity it would like to engage in!
Re: Travel Modem
Indeed, if I leave my e-mail (and other internet programmes) open the Travel Modem (nearly) does not drop the connection. But then I run into memory problems. OK, I can live with that solution. I will probably try to defragment or even format my CF. If anybody has another good idea to speed up my 5mx I would be very glad to hear it.
Arent, interesting to hear that modems with cables can also drop the connection. Is this really the modem in your opinion or the internet provider? With mine it is nearly always the connection computer <=> modem which drops.
Re: Osaris
I was also surprised by the small number Steve Litchfield cited. Rolf (I think it was Rolf) explained to us why it is very hard to relaunch a small production of devices and indeed 1000 IS small to my opinion. Anybody knows the yearly production in 2000 for example, to compare?
Kijkshop (www.kijkshop.nl) and Dixons (www.dixons.nl) do have engaged in several stunts with the Osaris. The 16Mo UK version is now available for 139,95 euros, but I have also heared that Kijkshop actually has the 8 Mo version, so watch out for that!
The French 8Mo AZERTY version is available at www.rueducommerce.fr for EUR 92,95 , but that really says 'destockage', so they're the last.
I would be really amazed if the Osaris remains the only 'Psion as we know it' in the field. I like the little machine and it's very good value for money, but if people like these EPOC machines that much that they keep on buying them, they would have probably be also interested in a 5mx (for a much lower price than its official market price... that's true).
You know... the keyboard of the Osaris is not much less than that of the 5mx and much better than those of the Revo and the 9210. If the 5mx needed to be replaced, I would therefore seriously consider to buy an Osaris instead of a 9210, if only for the keyboard!
Yours truly,
Thomas van der Zijden
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 10:47:49 +0000
From: Kevin Thorne
Subject: Opera v5.14
I see Opera's v5.14 is now available for Symbian from their web site but it doesn't seem to list any improvements or bug fixes. Does anyone know what the main differences between v5.13 and v5.14 are? Less memory hogging would be nice for a start!
Regards
Kevin Thorne
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 10:47:53 +0000
From: Kevin Thorne
Subject: Hungarian Mount Everest expedition with a colour screen
Reply to Edgar Brazda:
Subject: Hungarian Mount Everest expedition with a colour screen
<Last month the first Hungarian mountain climbing expedition reached the top of the world - Mount Everest - (after many unsuccessful attempts). Their whole computer system was a netBook. All logistics (following the food, drink, oxygen, medicine, etc. supply, route planning, communication with Hungary) were done with the help of our nice Psion machine. On former - training - expeditions in the Andes they used a 5mx, and were very satisfied with its reliability.>
It just shows that a Psion can reach the parts other computers can't ;-) It's great to think they had so much faith in the stability and reliabilty of EPOC computers.
<There is a picture -- +full article in Hungarian :-( on www.psion.hu website -- of mountain climber Eross (his name - nomen est omen - means Strong) with his netBook open in hand, right on the top of the world. What's the moral? If you need a sturdy machine with long battery life and readable screen in * extremely * strong sunlight, then buy a netBook (and a pair of sunglasses).>
Sorry Edgar but I can't agree with this bit about "readable screen in * extremely * strong sunlight". I think the magazine picture must have been taken for show purposes only. My S7 screen is a lovely rich colour experience indoors and on a cloudy day too but put it in bright sunlight and you'll be squinting at it just to see anything. The colours all get washed out. This is the only situation where my 5mx actually looks good screenwise as the monochrome LCD displays very well in bright sunlight. I must say though that using a Nokia 9210 in bright sunlight isn't half as bad - in fact it's quite readable unless the sun is shining directly on it. Even then you can still see things on screen and of course it's far easier just to shade it with one hand than it is to do the same with a netBook/S7! In indirect bright sunlight I've found the Nokia to be considerably better. This is an important consideration if one uses it outdoors quite a lot as I do.
Regards
Kevin Thorne
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 10:55:49 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Made my choice
Hi All,
Well, thanks Darryl, I made my choice and bought the last S7 left at Berry's in the centre of London. I decided this for several reasons, the main ones being :
- as I will continue to use my 5MX as well, it would anyhow not be possible to upgrade my netBook to a different version OS as I would loose the compatibillity between the two.
- the difference in price between the S7 and netBook was considerable (almost Gbp 300.-) and if I would have bought the netBook I would feel very bad to ugprade to any future device that might hit the market in a few years. With the smaller amount spent that feeling will be a lot less.
- I decided that the 9210 is not for me, I use the machine(s) too much on the desk and too little "in the field".
So, first impressions. Copying programs from the 5MX to the S7 is not as straightforward as one would think (I bought another CF disk). Some programs have special versions for the S7/netBook, others just did not copy well and had to be reinstalled. Keyboard is easier even than the 5MX, and hopefully the white on the letters will stay better (looks like stuck on). Very annoying that the letters lay-out is slightly different, and the right hand shift key as very very small for my big hands, keep on hitting the arrows instead. Screen is just great, put the 5MX next to it and you wonder how you could ever have managed .... <G>. The larger screen is useful with letters, spreadsheets and other programs. The colours are not so important and don't really jump off the screen, but the white background with black letters is a joy for the eye. Much larger Extra bar is also usefull, no more "more" and single line list. I am now copying all my maps for Route- and Streetplanner and can't work on it. Will report back after my holiday next week. And you'll all be pleased to know that the Epoc Digest program works on the S7 as well (last nights digest was prepared on it <G>).
Bye,
Itamar
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 11:43:40 +0000
From: Fuchs Carola
Subject: ultrapersonal PC
| You should seriously investigate an
| ultrapersonal/ultraportable to go with your s5/revo ,that | will give you full pc power in a package not more expensive | and not substantially bigger than a netbook
| Pricing for ultrapersonals now range from EUR 350 for a
| packaged single-board to EUR 1000 for a small tablet or
| notebook form factor
| Both PocketPC and ultrapersonals will eat away at the high | end of the PDA market as the prices and features start to converge
what exactly do you mean with "ultrapersonal/ultraportable"?
I read about a device called ultrapersonal PC some monthes ago in a newsletter. it should be released in the second half of 2002 and it is calles the OQO (www.oqo.com).
this one will be a very small PC, running WinXP or Win2K or Linux or whatever. it has no keyboard but it has a high resolution touchscreen and a small harddrive. and it would be about as big and heavy as a psion 5 is. it has USB and Bluetooth and WLAN and it should be possible to get a small attachable keyboard for it. drivers for everything should not be a problem, because it is simply a small PC. and according to their webpage even the battery running time should be acceptable.
I fear it will never come out the way it is described, sounds almost impossible to me.
what do you think?
Idefix
from Germany - user of a MC 218
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 12:31:19 +0000
From: Alexei
Subject: Siemens S45 phonebook
Hi all!
Maybe somebody know if there is any plug-in for PhonemanPro in order to use Addressbook on Siemens S45 (like for Nokia6210)?
Or, maybe there is some other software for Epoc in order to use Siemens S45 addressbook?
Thank you in advance,
Rgds,
Ale
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 13:41:18 +0000
From: peter.rand
Subject: Nokia 9210 as Revo replacement? 2
Hi,
This Communicator gizmo is growing on me. The main complaint that people seem to have about it is that it's too big as a cell phone. Well I've been using it as a computer, and it's really small for a computer. I bring it with me everywhere. Fits in my pocket and can hardly tell its there.
The screen is really fantastic - I can hardly look at the Revo screen anymore - the color and sharpness of the Communicator screen keep me coming back for more.
The operating system reminds me of ER5 in a lot of ways - file management, installing SIS files, using short-cuts etc., but it has also been "dumbed down" in a number of areas, and some features have been omitted, such a % battery left, etc. I can't find a switch to turn the Communicator on or off. Open the screen, it turns on, close it, it turns off. Leave the screen open and don't type anything and the machine turns itself off after a few minutes. Somehow I would like there to be a simple on/off switch.
The desktop companion is called "PC Suite", and offers basically the same functionality of PsiWin (drag-n-drop, copy anywhere, backup etc.). If you like PsiWin you'll probably like PC Suite, if you don't like PsiWin, well....
Battery life seems pretty reasonable. I charged it the first day for about 60 minutes, and then used the Communicator on and off for two days before it needed another charge. Not bad for having such a brilliant screen.
Native EPOC Word and Sheet files don't seem to work on the Communicator, but if you install them by drag-n-drop using PC Suite, they're quickly converted to the proper format.
The EPOC zoom feature has been preserved - most apps allow for a 4x-zoom, which is really essential with such a small screen. The backlighting has 5x-zoom - a really nice touch. It's a piece of cake to go from dim backlighting to bright as all get-out.
There appear to be several ways to transfer Agenda and Contact data from ER5 to ER6:
1. Beam each item individually by IR (time-consuming)
2. Sync ER5 to Outlook, then sync ER6 to Outlook to receive the data (worked like a charm for Contacts)
3. Use a freeware app from FreEpoc called vCal to convert the Agenda file on ER5, transfer to ER6, then convert to ER6 format. I hope to try this on the weekend.
In addition to Word/Sheet/Video/PowerPoint/ImageViewer/RealPlayer apps on the Communicator, the CD also contains a small app called "Notes" that is
the mirror image of Jotter, an app I use a lot on the Revo.
There's a wonderful freeware ebook reader for the Communicator - MobiPocket. MobiPocket also includes a enews service that lets me download the news from the Internet everyday. The Communicator is an excellent tool for reading ebooks.
The freeware PGP app is available for the Communicator, and commercial ZIP and FTP apps are also available.
Nokia also recently released an OPL runtime environment for the Communicator, which should make it easier for EPOC programmers to port their apps to ER6. RMRSoft and Neuon have already ported a number of their apps to the Communicator, and plan to support the platform.
Gotta go - so far my impression of the Communicator is very positive. Now now that ER5 applications are being re-written to work on the Communicator,
I am increasingly optimistic that the Communicator will let me enjoy both worlds - both those tried-and-true ER5 apps that are absolutely essential to me, along with "new" capabilities such a the PowerPoint reader and video viewer that were missing on ER5.
After using the Communicator, I can say with some certainty: EPOC lives!
Here's a good review I found with lots of screenshots:
http://www.my-communicator.com/9210/review_eng.htm
Peter Rand
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 16:04:25 +0000
From: Toby Butler
Subject: revo plus and series 5 mains adapter compatabilty, psions up mountains
I have finally got round to buying a mako (revo plus) and I will need a UK adapter for it. A little while ago there was a bit of discussion about whether the series 5/MX mains adapter would work OK; the mako is rated at 500ma output and the series 5 is 300ma. I have just seen a psion travel adaptor which claims to work with both revo and series 5 which is rated 1 amp output (6v); also a Psion branded series 5 adapter which is rated 1 amp output but does not mention revo on the packaging. SO; a) will my standard series 5 adapter work b)if not, will these 1 amp adapters be OK for the revo?
I have also seen a palmtop gps that goes on the car roof for sale at £50 - is this a bargain? Does it work well?
Finally I took a series 5 classic up to 15,000 feet in the Himalayas about three years ago. I was on my own and there was a bit of a snow storm which was a bit hairy. The series 5 worked very well on the way up, but at the top the screen was blanked out, possibly because of the temperature.
I used it to keep my travel dairy, lists of things, games etc.
Cheers
Toby
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 16:26:32 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Screen problem, Message to digest, Teklogix,
Answer to: Tom Robertson
Re. Screen problem - It appears you have got the dreaded screen cable problem and your machine will most probably need to be repaired. Let us know where you live and we will advice you where to go (if you need this info).
Answer to: Edgar & others
Re. Message to digest - First of all, if you write ADMIN in the subject field, your messages will be read by the operator of the digest only and will not be posted in the digest. There are two answers to your question, either send your message(s) from the same email address as you subscribed or subscribe all the email addresses you use for the digest. I have done so for my work and private email address (and in future please only quote the relevant part of a message, not the complete one)
Answer to: Rolf Brunsting
Re. Teklogix - Ok, got your point but I am not a great websurfer, and my knowledge is undoubtly more limited than yours in this field. My feeling is that Psion has become a kind of holding Company for various active Companies like Teklogix and Symbian. I could imagine for example one of the other partners in Symbian buying Psion to increase their hold on the Company. It is my _feeling_, I can't make it hard with proof.
Bye,
Itamar Engelsman
London, United Kingdom
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 21:02:05 +0000
From: "Edgar Brazda Ph.D."
Subject: PSION on the top of the World (8850m)
Dear Peter,
unfortunately that's all I found on the website (+picture), I hope it helps:
http://www.psion.hu/hirek/hirek_206.html :
WITH PSION TO THE PEAK!
The daily press has reported on the excellent achievment of the Hungarian alpinists - at last there is a Hungarian flag flying over Mt Everest. Such a success is the result of a complex, coordinated activity. Not only the men climb the mountain but hundreds of kilograms of "lagguage" has to accompany them. Putting together the equipment and the menu and tracking the state of the stocks during the expedition needs extra care. This task requires a reliable, high capacity device that is capable to operate uninterrupted minimum ten hours far from any electrical network and withstands extreme conditions. Small size and weight is a must for the mountaineers. Already years ago the members of the Explorers Programme selected the Psion 5mx palmtop computer and they have used it in many successful missions around the world (e.g. Tirich Mir, 1998). It accompanied them to the Himalaya expedition last year but also PSION's colour screened Series 7 model served them there. Although this model falls in the sub-notebook category, it doesn't contain any moving parts, thus the chance of failure is small. This year too PSION palmtops were used to compile and to check the initial supply and to track the changes of the food supply. The two handheld computers have perfectly controlled the logistic process of the expedition and have contributed to its success.
Edgar, Budapest
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:15:11 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: IDC 2nd quarter report on the European handheld computer market
Dear Digesteers,
Please find below the IDC querterly report on the European handheld computer market as published on 19/07/2002.
[Quote]
Despite an eventful quarter marked by an influx of new wireless devices into the market, as well as the combined shipments of the new HP that positioned the vendor in first place in Europe, the market failed to show any signs of improvement over the first quarter of the year. Shipments of 449,740 showed a decline of 21% on the corresponding quarter in the previous year in Western Europe, according to preliminary data from IDC.
Converged wireless devices such as the Handspring Treo 270, O2 XDA, and the Nokia 7650 Bluetooth-integrated device recorded very positive results upon introduction towards the end of the second quarter. However, this was not enough to prevent a year on year quarterly decline for both Handspring and Nokia.
"The handheld device market continues to be beset by similar problems that are also affecting the market for mobile handset terminals, such as the need for compelling reasons to upgrade, the cost of integrating new devices into organisations, as well as justification of the "benefits of ownership," commented Andy Brown, Research Manager for Mobile Computing at IDC. "Whilst the introduction of new wireless devices such as the Nokia 7650, O2 XDA, and Handspring Treo 270 offers interesting new form factors and capabilities, it remains to be seen as to whether new technology alone is reason enough for end users to upgrade," he added.
Other pocket PC phone edition devices due out on the market soon include the HP Jornada 928 and an HTC built device, which will be similar to the XDA, due to be released by T-Mobile; both products are expected to ship in 3Q02. Other new devices such as the Sony Ericsson P800 should help bolster the converged device market in coming quarters.
End user demand for stand-alone handheld products displayed a weaker dynamic than the first quarter. Low consumer confidence and the World Cup assisted in diverting attention away from handheld purchases.
Whilst many enterprises continued to consider and evaluate handheld devices, a perpetuation of the cautious and uncertain economic environment prevented wider implementation and integration within organisations.
Vendor Highlights
HP (including Compaq) managed to resolve the complex issue of product integration relatively efficiently, with aggressive targeting of European markets across all product lines driving sales. A stronger period of sales into the distribution channel in 1Q02 of high-end Bluetooth-integrated iPaq 3800 and 3900 devices prevented stronger growth in 2Q02. The combined sales with the existing HP Jornada products assisted the vendor in gaining a comfortable lead over Palm. However, the vendor missed the low-end price points, preventing the vendor from generating higher volumes.
Palm recorded a decline of 14% year on year but managed to maintain a relatively high-end product mix, which assisted revenues. Demand for the new colour products introduced in March 2002 accounted for over 60% of Palm sales over the 2Q02 period. Enterprise business represented an area of improvement for Palm in the UK, although the vendor's share is experiencing considerable erosion.
Nokia continued to drive down prices on its 9210 Communicator product in order to stimulate sales. Towards the end of the quarter, the vendor was boosted by healthy initial sales of its Symbian-based 7650 device, with a number of devices imported to Europe to satiate strong initial demand.
Handspring recovered towards the end of 2Q02 due to the strong entry of the Treo 270 wireless converged device. Handspring continued GPRS testing for new and existing products, and recorded success through the phone retail and carrier retail stores in Switzerland and France.
Sony moved into the Top 5 for the first time, with heavy advertising on its consumer products in Europe. The vendor focused on integrating hardware and software and interoperability with other Sony devices. Combined retail promotions with Vaio notebooks and other Sony consumer devices, as well as the introduction of new products such as the NR70V, also helped drive sales.
mmO2 also released the xda from UK based mobile operator mmO2 during 2Q02. Early sales of the operator's xda converged wireless device were very well received through the operators own retail outlets, as well as through other mobile phone retailers. The pocket PC phone edition device was launched in the Netherlands in May, the UK in mid-June, and Germany towards the end of June. To date, sales stand at just over 4,000 units, with shipments into channel of approximately 12,000 units; this is lower than IDC had previously expected, considering the amount of advertising and industry attention the device has received. Comments from mmO2 remain positive, stating that so far sales match expectations and that they expect a ramp of sales month on month as education and awareness in the target market increases.
Top 5 Smart Handheld Device (including Converged Wireless Device) Vendors, Western Europe, 2Q02 (Preliminary)
HP
- 2Q02 : 146,000
- Share 2Q02 : 32%
- 2Q01 : 179,000
- Share 2Q01 : 32%
- Year-on-Year Growth : -18%
Palm
- 2Q02 : 135,000
- Share 2Q02 : 30%
- 2Q01 : 157,000
- Share 2Q01 : 28%
- Year-on-Year Growth : -14%
Nokia
- 2Q02 : 33,000
- Share 2Q02 : 7%
- 2Q01 : 67,000
- Share 2Q01 : 12%
- Year-on-Year Growth : -51%
Handspring
- 2Q02 : 32,000
- Share 2Q02 : 7%
- 2Q01 : 37,000
- Share 2Q01 : 7%
- Year-on-Year Growth : -14%
Sony
- 2Q02 : 28,000
- Share 2Q02 : 6%
- 2Q01 : 10,000
- Share 2Q01 : 2%
- Year-on-Year Growth : 180%
Others
- 2Q02 : 78,000
- Share 2Q02 : 17%
- 2Q01 : 119,000
- Share 2Q01 : 21%
- Year-on-Year Growth : -34%
Total Western Europe
- 2Q02 : 450,000
- 2Q01 : 568,000
- Year-on-Year Growth : -21%
Source: IDC EMEA, Preliminary Results 2Q02
Shipments are branded shipments and exclude OEM sales for all vendors. Data for all vendors is reported for calendar periods. Data for HP includes HP and Compaq combined.
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As an aside, sources close to Nokia mention that it's currently producing close to 750,000 units of its 7650 per*month*.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:15:18 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 037
Dear Itamar,
<< Re. Colour - For people that do a lot of typing, don't forget that colour is not only the nice different colours, but also text with white background and black letters, which means better contrast = easier on the eyes. With age I suppose that will be(come) a factor >>
Errrmmm ... do you mean that the Nokia 9210 shouldn't have been called 9210 but 9110g - g for geriatric?
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:15:21 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Psion-Teklogix netBook
Dear Edgar,
<< Yes we all comprehended that Psion never intended to sell netBook to the public. Anyway, this was quite obvious for the first instant, and the appearance and demise of the "slow-down" public version (S7) proves, that unfortunately the great minds at Psion were totally unable to handle the sudden and "unexpected" (quoted from an official Psion press-release at the time of introducing S7) popularity of the netBook among the "average" users >>
It's this "Let's throw everything in a bucket and stir" that creates the "clear as mud" situation you accuse Psion to have created. While the actual situation is fairly simple as long as you keep a few things in mind.
Psion Enterprise Computing, Psion's industrial division, launched two models at CeBIT we now know as netBook and netPad. It proved that there was interest in the netBook by the general consumer. Psion Computers, the consumer division, may not have recognised the interest before but it acted when the interest became apparent. It created a consumer version of the netBook, the Series 7, which was given performance parity with its other consumer products, the Revo and Series 5mx. Meaning the consumer now had a T-shirt-like choice between a Small, Medium and Large Psion.
What happened since is that the Psion Group bought Teklogix and merged it with Psion Enterprise Computing to form the company Psion-Teklogix. Its current product line is therefore a mixture of former Teklogix products (7030 HHT, 7035 HHC, 7510 HHMC ... ) and former Psion Enterprise Computing products (netBook, netPad, Workabout ... ). And the company still specialises in solutions for warehousing, transportation, logistics and mobile computing. In other words, industrial/enterprise applications.
What also happened since is that Motorola moved out of the Odin joint-development project it had with Psion Computers. A project that would have given Psion Computers a completely new platform to succeed the Series 5mx. And the situation on the consumer PDA/palmtop market had worsened during the period. Too many manufacturers and models were chasing for customers. These two factors, plus a few minor ones, made the Psion Group decide to withdraw from this market. What Psion Group mentioned was that production would continue for as long as there was sufficient demand but that product support would cease the end of 2004.
And we've seen the operations of Psion Computers slowly coming to an end. A majority of Psion Computers personnel has been made redundant. The production of the Revo and Series 7 have been stopped. And Flextronics is currently manufacturing a final batch of 1,000 Series 5mx's for Psion Computers. When these, and the remaining stock of Revos, 5mx's and 7's at retailers, have all been sold the operations will mainly consist of repair services. Come December 31st, 2004 and the final curtain falls for Psion Computers Plc.
<< ... on the other hand the minute ideas of the minor user subgroups (or future-teller journalists) can not control the direction of the development of future devices >>
It would be foolish not to listen to what minority users or journalists have to say. What may currently be of interest to a tiny group of people can become of much wider interest. However, companies always need to check where and how this interest relates to their business.
A number of Psion retailers are examples of this. Noting the interest in the netBook they bought netBooks from Psion-Teklogix and sold them to the consumer. And when Psion Computers' Series 7 came out their product line-up became Revo, Series 5mx, Series 7 and netBook.
<< Yes, we do not agree, because in my view Psion missed an opportunity (but not now but min. 2 years ago) not opening to the public, and yes, we agree, if a company is committed to the corporate market only, then they are not interested in the public's woes >>
I'm sorry, but the "not opening to the public" is nonsense. Psion Computers noted the consumer interest in the netBook and came with the Series 7 as consumer product.
Still, a number of consumers have bought the Psion-Teklogix' netBook rather than a Series 7. Just as there are people who bought a 5-seater Volkswagen Transporter van as their private car rather than a Golf or Passat saloon. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. As long as both the private netBook and Transporter owner keep in mind that what they own will be developed in accordance with what's happening in the markets they were created for. It's therefore no use complaining that Psion-Teklogix doesn't come with an MP3 and/or RealPlayer as that's not what the company's market is interested in.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:15:27 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Psion & Siemens S45 on the Dutch O2 network
Dear Christopher,
Below the way I decode the session log.
Tx: AT +CGDCONT=1,"IP","INTERNET"
Rx: OK
The Psion sends the "Init. (reset) string" of the modem definition, which is accepted. The string sets the Siemens S45 up to make an Internet protocol connection with an access point named INTERNET.
Tx: AT
Rx: OK
The Psion sends the empty "Data init. string" of the modem definition, which is accepted.
Tx: ATD*99***1#
Rx: CONNECT ~ÿ}#À!}!}#} }=}!}$}'Ð}"}&} }*} } ....[Etc.]
The Psion instructs the S45 to establish a connection. The S45 responds that it's connected and passes what it receives on to the Psion.
Tx: AT
Tx: +++
Rx: ~ÿ}#À!}%}#} }$…r~
Rx: OK
The Psion sends the +++ command which switches the S45 from data to command mode.
Tx: AT
Rx: OK
The psion checks whether the S45 is in command mode.
Tx: ATO
Rx: CONNECT
The Psion checks whether the S45 is on-line, which is the case.
Tx: ATH
Rx: NO CARRIER
The Psion instructs the S45 to drop the line.
In other words, the "line" is open but you don't get any further. The reason why will be hidden in the ~ÿ}#À!}!}#} }=}!}$}'Ð}"}&} }*} } ....[Etc.]. but I'm inclined to say that the IP connections fails. Probably because INTERNET isn't the right access point name for the Dutch O2 network. I've checked the O2 web site but haven't found a description of the O2 GPRS settings. GPRS subscribers can have them downloaded to their phone by SMS but that doesn't help me much.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 26 Jul 2002 23:09:48 +0000
From: Peter Keene
Subject: FUTURE OF EPOC 32
Hi Guys,
For Kits re the future of EPOC 32:
ONLY Sony-Ericsson and Nokia are going ahead with the full version of EPOC 32 on their communicators Kits? Even if that were true, that is still, by far, the largest chunk of the communicator market. I would say that the future of EPOC 32 is looking good, hence Bill Gates recently taking aim at Nokia.
As for Psion Teklogix moving to MS-DOS / WINCE on their industrial devices, that's a little mischevious. You are talking about Canadian Teklogix devices, all of which were in production already when Psion bought the company. Psion's own latest device, the netpad, uses EPOC 32 revision 5.
Regards,
Peter
Cape Town
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Date: 27 Jul 2002 00:52:22 +0000
From: Kate Head
Subject: line numbering in word
From: p_harrison
Subject: Automatic line numbering
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A software question: is there any means by which Word on a 5mx can be persuaded to do automatic line numbering, using letters or numbers, preferably nested? Perhaps a macro? I've been a Series 5/mx owner for three years and this is my biggest gripe. I often take minutes of meetings and line numbering a la M$ Word 97 would be invaluable.
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Hi there Paul,
To get line numbers in a document I select all, then copy, then open a Sheet file and past into the B1 column. After that it's just a matter of filling the A column with numbers (I find that putting a 1 in A1l, then putting
=A1+1 in A2 and then copying that down the page(s) works quite well). You then just hightlight columns A and B, copy, then go to a word doc and then paste. It works with both text and word docs.
Good luck.
All the best,
Kate!!
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Date: 27 Jul 2002 16:55:19 +0000
From: Moshe Nahir
Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 037
Hi All,
Several weeks ago I posted a question asking for help to find a copy of the latest PsiWin to download. Some of you replied promptly with helpful advice. A day or two after the first few replies came in I went back home for a brief visit (I have spending a few months here in Barcelona), which lasted longer than I had expected. My email access there was quite restricted, so I did not have an opportunity to thank all the good people who volunteered their help when I needed it. I am sorry for this and I apologize to all of them. I also lost the relevant messages, so I can't name them, but I nevertheless am grateful, also of course to Itamar, for keeping the spirit alive.
Moshe Nahir
Winnipeg, Canada (currently in beautiful, hot Barcelona)
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Date: 27 Jul 2002 19:29:13 +0000
From: "AndyHayes"
Subject: Wince / 6310i / Bluetooth / Pegagsus IR Modem
Hi All
A week (or so) with the HP720 Jornada and I have started to realise why I stuck with EPOC. Whereas with EPOC, there is the option to copy SIS files to the device and install from there, you don't have this option and you are tied to a laptop to install apps.
OK, what about getting files onto the Jornada? I am afraid that you need a PC again. Or at least you do in certain cases. With EPOC I tend to fire up the Comms app on the netBook and HyperTerminal on a PC and transfer the files that way. In the Terminal application on the Jornada there are a number of connection choices, of which serial is not one of them. This leaves you a number of choices, internal modem, external modem on com1, irda modem, ir on com4. If you have no ir port on the PC that has got the files on it you have two choices, FTP server or get hold of a Wince Terminal app. Must be a free terminal app about you might think. Wrong, or at least I haven't found one yet. Cheapest has been 20 quid, most expensive 40 quid. I have got one on a 30 day trial at the moment, but I will probably end up doing without the functionality as 95% of PCs at work are now networked and files can always be dragged from the network to my laptop PC and thence to the Jornada.
The reason for buying this was to try to avoid carrying my laptop between offices all of the time. This way I can use Outloook as a tool to keep details of contacts, diary and tasks, syncing my Jornada when I get back to base. This beats carrying a laptop and a netBook. I have also found that it runs the Toshiba 2gb PC card hard drive that the netBook won't run.
Anyone using a 6310/6310i to connect to the net? What modem settings are you using? My 6210 settings are not working. It just disconnects as soon as it connects.
Expansys seems to be the best place to look for Bluetooth headsets. Only 116 ukp for the Motorola, but the others are horrendously expensive i.e. over 200ukp...eeek!
The Pegasus IR Modem sell at 99usd. The Pegasus3 uses nimh batteries so I assume that the IR model will do the same. Does the Psion IR modem run on batteries?
Andy Hayes
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Date: 27 Jul 2002 19:34:48 +0000
From: Jan R Gustafsson
Subject: no subject
Rolf wrote:
>Why would a platform that's supported by Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, Matsushita, Motorola, Samsung plus a number of others be less durable than Microsoft Windows?
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Answer: The all concurring power of money & marketing resources! (as we've seen before + the completely undemanding commitments from the cited companies)
Jan G
Stockholm, Sweden
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Date: 27 Jul 2002 20:14:16 +0000
From: Keith Giles
Subject: Re: Add/Remove Icon
I have my Add/Remove icon back on my 5ive. I had to uninstall AlarmPlus for ER3 from the D drive and install it on the C drive. That installation returned my Add/Remove.
But the AlarmPlus icon isn't in the Control Panel where it's supposed to be, so can't be activated. I've e-mailed the author.
Happy Cycling,
Keith
Sunnyvale, CA
http://home.attbi.com/~ohsix827/
Thought For The Day: A friend is someone who doesn't buy your child a drum for Christmas.
All my outgoing e-mails have been checked by Norton Anti-virus.
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Date: 27 Jul 2002 22:02:54 +0000
From: Kevin Thorne
Subject: Jpg not supported, Mp3 ready for S7
JPG NOT SUPPORTED
Sometimes I like to load images and save them to file using the "save image as" on my S7. They're usually a .jpg file and most of the time there's no problem opening them. However, very occasionally some from various sites won't load - I get the message "not supported". They will load fine on a PC though. Is there any reason why a small number of .jpg type files won't load on a S7?
MP3 READY FOR S7
On the subject of not having easy access to a PC, does anyone know any sites where I can obtain Mp3 files that are already suitable for EplayM (the EPOC Mp3 player) i.e. ones that don't need conversion first via a PC to the less demanding format required to run on EPOC?
Regards
Kevin Thorne
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