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Epoc Digest     Tue, 20 Aug 2002      Volume 01 : Number 054

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In today's Epoc Digest 36 messages:

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- NETBOOK E-MAIL

- RE: SPAM from

- SPAM from

- Spam

- Re: Palmtop Mag

- Street Planner & Route Planner SIS files

- Andy Hayes' Palmtop Replacement Idea

- Re:EPOC DIGEST V1 # 053

- Plamtop, Travel modem,

- Psion & iBook

- netPad to run wince !

- PlantPot Magazine

- Psion and Linux

- Phoneman Pro Not Perfect

- Fax Init String

- SPAM related to psioneering digest home page?

- RE: SPAM related to psioneering digest home page?

- Re:  SPAM related to psioneering digest home page?

- Psion cable for Siemens S45?

- Any alternative to NoMore?

- SELLING 7

- Palmtop Software & Installation

- Re: SPAM

- RE: Spam

- Answer to Andy Beale re Psion s7 screen

- Palmtop vs Plamtop

- 5mx & 7

- Z vs Psi

- Initialisation string for Siemens S45 ?

- Re: SPAM from

- Re: PalmtopUser/ Mako battery/ New PDF mag/ Phoneman Pro

- Re: Drente

- Re: Drente

- Re: Fax Group 4

- Re: SMS in foreign countries

- Re: wireless working

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Date:  1 Jan 2002 19:30:37 +0100

From: Peter Keene

Subject: NETBOOK E-MAIL

Hi Guys,

For David McCorquodale re netBook e-mail:

Hotmail must be accessed via a web browser David. As Web does not have SSL, you will have to use Opera. As for IMAP 4, I think that you will have to get the settings from your service provider and then create a new account in EMail.

You said that you have build 158 of the os installed on your machine. Build 158 is broken and has now been officially withdrawn by Psion Teklogix. Download build 156 from their website and install that.

Regards

Peter

Cape Town

This e-mail was written on a netpad using Psiboard. It was sent from the netpad via a Nokia 6210. :->  Why not come down here and join in the fun Itamar?

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 07:25:50 +0100

From: Michael Degn

Subject: RE: SPAM from

Answer to Owen H. Morgan

> I have just received two SPAM messages from "john" ... If "john" is indeed a member of the digest... <

Hi Owen,

Sorry to hear your email address has already been compromised, but this "john" is certainly not a member of this digest. Either he has retrieved your email address from somewhere or was just lucky using an email address generator that randomly composes thousands of potential addresses. Some of them will be real though.

Regards,

Michael Degn

The Epoc Digest Team

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 09:24:16 +0100

From: "Nicole Carbonara"

Subject: SPAM from

Reply to: Owen H.Morgan Subject: SPAM from

>> I have just received two SPAM messages from "john" .... Have any of the other recent participants received this message? <<

Owen

I have also received two messages from this address, advertising for "The digital memory store".

Nicole

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 09:47:58 +0100

From: "AndyHayes"

Subject: Spam

Hi All

I received the same spam email that Owen received regarding compact flash cards. I started trying to sort out my spam problem by putting everyone in the blocked senders list that sent me unsolicited emails. I munged my return address, which causes everyone a problem. I used to spend loads of time complaining about every single item of spam that I received to the ISPs that they came from. Some were the genuine address, others were forged, so some accounts were closed and some were not. In the end I changed my address.

Like Owen I never buy from spammers, in fact I do what I can to advise others of a better and cheaper service elsewhere, so look at CF prices at www.expansys.com instead of going to the spammers site.

The biggest insult though in spam is being offered CDs with known-working email addresses by the million, of which your address is allegedly not one of them.

For anyone interested O'Reilly publish a book called Stopping Spam. It is a little outdated now, but worth a read.

Rememebr though that it is always worth a few minutes of your time complaining to the ISP that the mail is coming from. This could help nip things in the bud.

Andy Hayes

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:50:35 +0100

From: "Caspar Lam"

Subject: Re: Palmtop Mag

Dear Steve:

Thanks for your comments, but I would like to clarify that I DO have an interest in Symbian/Nokia (I'm not a closed block-headed Psion fan)- I am looking towards them when the day comes that my Psion dies. However, what I said was that I didn't read the programs for the Symbian/Nokia devices. I've read all of the hardware reviews for Symbian/Nokia and most of the reviews for Palm and Pocket PC, and I find them informative and comprehensive. I just said that I didn't read the program reviews because they have no relevance to me at the moment.

>>We want to reflect the new computers, software and technologies

coming to market, analsying and explaining things in plain

language for our readers. And much as I loved my Psions, they're

dying now in much the same way as Psion the company has been for

the last few years. 8-(

I understand your position, and I do think it is a well rounded magazine (compared to the ones here in the US). However, I think that a "fanzine" dedicated to Symbian/Psion/Nokia would be more like what I would be looking for- perhaps palmtop could produce a mini-magazine for the Symbian/Nokia/Psion platform? :)

Best Regards,

Caspar

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:53:04 +0100

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: Street Planner & Route Planner SIS files

Reply to Jason Garbutt:

<Street Planner 99 can definately be installed on the Psion from a SIS file (you do of course need to get it off the CD first !)  I've done this recently without a hitch, it even gives instructions on the CD how to do this.>

Thanks for the info Jason.  When I first bought Street Planner and Route Planner on CD-ROM I had to go to a friend's PC and directly install these two programs.  I didn't know they could also be contained in a SIS file.  It's a real pain if a hard reset ever has to be done as the S7 then complains that they must be re-installed from the original CD-ROM (which I'd guess is an anti-piracy measure).  Now I can obviously prove to anyone I do actually own a copy of both these programs by simply by sending them a couple of sample small application files from the program sitting on my S7 so, by doing that, I was wondering if one kind Digestee with a copy of the SIS files for each program could email them to me?  I don't have easy access to a PC.

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 15:24:49 +0100

From: "Simon Wolf"

Subject: Andy Hayes' Palmtop Replacement Idea

Andy expressed an interest in putting together a PDF-based magazine for Psion users I think that this is a great idea.  I will gladly help in any way that I can, just let me know.

For the last two years or so I have been a Palm user after many years of being Psion devotee.  I made the change because I needed to be able to synchronise my PIM data both in the office and at home and PsiWin just was not reliable enough.  Now, partly as a result of becoming self-employed, I plan to keep on using my Palm for simple PIM tasks (it's easier to carry around than a 5mx) but I am going to use a 5mx as my workhorse, handling clients, my web site, articles I write, etc.  It's good to be back with Psion although the last couple of years have been interesting.  My biggest regret, however, was selling my netBook a few months ago but I know that it went to a good home and I hope to replace it with a new one in a couple of months.

As for a name, how about something simple like EPOC User?

All the best.

Simon Wolf

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 15:28:14 +0100

From: Jason Garbutt

Subject: Re:EPOC DIGEST V1 # 053

Hi Digestives,

Reply to: "Arent Kits Van Heijningen [106016.3614]"

Subject: Setting up US Robotics Sportster........

>Setting up US Robotics Sportster and Courier modems for

>use on Epoc 32 ER3/4/5

>

>1 General

>

>These modems require separate profiles for Data and Fax

>when used with MessageSuite

Sorry to disagree Arent, but this isn't necessay - I have used the same built in US Robotics Sportster settings for BOTH fax and data for years. I never have any trouble with internet access, or sending & receiving faxes.

>For Data I use AT&F1 as reset and

>AT&G1&K3&M5M2S11=100X3 as init

>For Fax use only AT&F1 in the reset field ,leave init field

>blank Flow control is hardware DTR ticked ON ,DCD ticked

>OFF (modem will hang up after completed handshake if

>DCD is ticked ON  for TCP/IP and fax connections ! )

These are my settings:

Init: ATZ

Data: AT&F1

Fax: AT&D2

Flow control: Hardware

unticked

unticked

>Checking Fax transfers :

>Messagesuite -at least on ER4 does not evaluate the

>responses from the modem to check if a fax transfer is

>completed

>Therefore leave the speaker always on during a fax

>transfer and check the fax log in the root of the c:\system

>directory

Again no. I don't have this problem (on ER3 anyway).

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Reply to: "Arent Kits Van Heijningen [106016.3614]"

Subject: A Psioneer's successful resistance

Is this irrelevant gibberish really necessary ?

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Reply to: Owen H.Morgan

Subject: SPAM from

Hi Owen,

>I have just received two SPAM messages from "john"

> advertising CF cards. As I

<snip>

So did I. And I fully agree with your comments.

--

Regards,

Jason

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 16:24:48 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Plamtop, Travel modem,

Answer to: Andy Hayes

Re. Plamtop - I can't promiss you help for each and every issue, but count me in, I'll help you with any way I can. For a start, some promotion on the digest .... ?  <BG>

Answer to: Kevin Thorne

Re. Travel modem - You've got my details and feel free to use them.

Bye,

Itamar Engelsman

London, United Kingdom

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 17:42:38 +0100

From: "Sanjay Chawla"

Subject: Psion & iBook

I have finally made the switch and bought an iBook for my wife who also uses an S5.  Does anyone have experience with this setup?

What is a good place to get a cheap copy of MacConnect or is there a better alternative method for backing up?

Sanjay

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 18:32:16 +0100

From: "Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016.3614]"

Subject: netPad to run wince !

To All

Found this today , 2002/08/18 19:02:33 on the Psion-Teklogix site , apparently all the rumors as that Psion/Symbian is moving EPOC 32 towards a deeply embedded platform running underneath WindowsCE and PalmOS 5 are now coming true ........ That the netPad is based on the PocketPC 2002 hardware platform was already a bit suspect

the last full version of the netPad OS is from February of this year

To:      Arent_Kits_van_Heijningen[106016.3614]

From:    Arent Kits van Heijningen

Subject: Welcome to the netpad PDK

Date:    2002/08/18 19:02:33

http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/wince_downloads.htm (requires free subscription )

   Downloads: WinCE

  netpad Win CE.net

   Windows CE .NET enables the rapid development of the next generation

   of smart mobile and small footprint devices.

   Windows CE .NET is the successor to Windows CE 3.0. Designed from the

   ground up for the embedded marketplace, Windows CE .NET delivers a

   robust real-time operating system. With a complete operating system

   feature set and end-to-end development environment, Windows CE .NET

   contains everything you need to create a custom Windows CEbased

   application that requires rich networking, hard real-time, and a

   small footprint, as well as rich multimedia and Web browsing

   capabilities.

   Windows CE .NET offers:

   Reliable core operating system services

   An integrated end-to-end tool set to help developers reduce both

   operating system and application development time, allowing them to

   get devices to market faster.

   Scalable wireless technologies that enable mobile devices to flexibly

   connect into existing infrastructures.

   netpad Win CE Downloads

    netpad Win CE SDK

    Date Released : 16/08/02

   23.2Mb

     [winzip.gif]   [22]download now

   Win CE Software Development Links

   Visual Studio .NET

   Visit the Microsoft Visual Studio site for information about writing

   applications for Windows CE .NET devices. Discover how Visual Studio

   .NET enables you to rapidly build next-generation XML Web services

   and applications that target any Internet device and integrate across

   programming languages and operating systems.  [23]website >>

   eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0

   Visit the Visual Studio site and get the complete desktop development

   environment for creating applications and system components for

   Windows CE .NET devices.  [24]website >>

   Win CE.Net Device Emulator

   Download the Windows CE .net device emulator from this Microsoft

   site: [25]website >>

   [26]Psion PLC  

     (c) Copyright 2001 Psion Teklogix Ltd.

References

   1. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/

   2. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/specifications.htm

   3. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/development.htm

   4. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/epoc_downloads.htm

   5. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/wince_downloads.htm

   6. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/information.htm

   7. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/resources.htm

   8. http://www.psion.com/

   9. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/partners

  10. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk

  11. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netbookpdk

  12. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/battery-pdk

  13. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/workaboutmx-pdk

  14. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/workaboutrfid-pdk

  15. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/vcomm-pdk

  16. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/scanner-pdk

  17. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/partners/oval_sdk.htm

  18. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/partners/sdk.htm

  19. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/faq

  20. http://www.symbian.com/

  21. http://www.psionteklogix.com/main/webmaster.asp

  22. http://partners.psionteklogix.com/netpad-pdk/SDKS/WinCE/1000421a.zip

  23. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/

  24. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/device/datasheet.asp

  25. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/ce.net/downloads/default.asp

  26. http://www.psion.com/

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Date: 18 Aug 2002 20:47:23 +0100

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: PlantPot Magazine

Reply to Andy Hayes:

<I still think that there is still plenty more mileage in the EPOC platform, so with the demise the only decent EPOC mag I am thinking of starting a magazine in PDF format. I am thinking about a no-frills publication, produced monthly, with honest reviews of hardware and software as well as lessons in how to use software, whether it be built in or extra. Hints and tips on networking and comms issues as well as reviews of non-psion items that can be connected. It will be a lot like Palmtop magazine was, without the ransom note style of font usage! Of course I can't write it all myself so I need submissions in areas of your expertise. Cost - nothing. Pehaps we should call it Plamtop or PlantPot? Comments please>

Great idea Andy and a perfect fanzine compliment to this digest!  I think there would be a lot of interest in this, not to mention eager participants ready to write small articles if you needed input.  If any Nokia 9210/Symbian ER6 fans out there remember, there was something similar to this idea available about a year ago called Smartphone User.  It was published around every 4 to 6 weeks in PDF format.  It went on for about 10 issues then just stopped, which I thought was a great shame.

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 19 Aug 2002 03:25:48 +0100

From: James John

Subject: Psion and Linux

Hi all,

Linux has come a long way. With an office suite like Open Office, Mozilla web browser and Evolution (Outlook clone) and Kpsion which does full and incremental backup of my Revo, one could very well survive without Windows.

However, there is always that problem of synching Agenda & Contacts with your PIM. There is none in Linux. Booting back and forth between Linux and Windows to sync my Revo or rather Mako was such a pain.

Then comes a USD 90 solution called Win4Lin ver 4 from www.netraverse.com which installs flawlessly in Linux, including downloading and installing a modified kernel and adjusting your bootloader. Part of the installation requires your Win95 or Win98 CD for installation. Once installed Windows

loads from a terminal window and even does it in about 12 secs and takes 3secs to shutdown.

Using Win4Lin, you can install your favourite apps like MS Outlook 2000, PsiWin etc. After a couple of adjustments, I get to connect, backup and sync with Outlook.

It is a great product and would be extremely useful for Linux user who always have this problem with their PDA's. Win4Lin ver 4 only supports the COM ports and have not yet added support for USB. Psion users wont have problems but Pocket PC user might have as I believe their docks are all USB.

Now I just run Linux all the time :-)

Regards

James J

Australia

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Date: 19 Aug 2002 04:13:31 +0100

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Phoneman Pro Not Perfect

>Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:13:49 +0000

>From: "AndyHayes" >Subject: netBook networking / Palmtop User Mag / Wireless Working / Route = >Planner / PhoneMan Pro / nFTP

>

>Hi All

>

>Gary Reyes praised Phoneman Pro. It is not perfect though.

>

>Andy Hayes

Andy,

Yes, I agree.  I had problems with the conversion of contacts to data using this software.

Managing my phonebook has, however, been a different story.  I started with a Siemens S25 with standard phonebook then migrated to a Nokia 8310 with its entended phonebook. 

So far, I have seen no problems going back and forth Revo to phone or phone to Revo, regardless of where I modify phone records. 

Did you try out the latest version which already supports exended phonebooks?

Gary

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Date: 19 Aug 2002 04:33:55 +0100

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Fax Init String

Date: 16 Aug 2002 22:32:11 +0000

>From: Rolf Brunsting >Subject: Re: Fax with Psion

>

>Dear Darryl,

>

>AT+FCLASS is one of the commands of an international ITU-T standard. When = >your Ericsson R520 responds with 0,1,2 to the AT+FCLASS=? enquiry it says = >that it supports Fax Class 1 and 2. Swithing the R520 to Fax Class 2 using = >AT+FCLASS=2 should work.

>

>Kind Regards,

>Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

Rolf,

Is there any difference between the Fax Init String "AT+FCLASS=2" amd "ATS0=2" which is what I programmed into my settings in my Revo?

Gary

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Date: 19 Aug 2002 09:12:21 +0100

From: Alan Rabbitte

Subject: SPAM related to psioneering digest home page?

From: Owen H.Morgan

Subject: SPAM from

I wonder is it something to do with the psioneering digest home page? I did a search for your email address using Google. There were 2 hits - 1 was your own site, the other www.psioneering.co.uk/digests/13.html. I then did the same with my own address and guess what? I'm mentioned there too in issues number 7 and number 12. The thing that confuses me is that I have contributed more often than twice (as I'm sure you have) to the Digest, so I don't know what decides a mention of your email address in the search engines?

Whatever the case - despite the fact that I haven't yet received spam mail on this account - can something be done about the above?

Regards,

Alan Rabbitte,

Dublin, Ireland

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Date: 19 Aug 2002 10:42:23 +0100

From: Alan Rabbitte

Subject: RE: SPAM related to psioneering digest home page?

> so I don't understand how that instance can turn up on Google.

Yep - it's there all right!

> the other www.psioneering.co.uk/digests/13.html.

> PS. The other day, I also received a "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT." spam message from

> "Joseph Edward" who apparently is "Executive Accountant with the South Africa  DEPARTMENT OF

> MINERAL RESOURCES AND ENERGY". I didn't understand half of it, but it seems that he wanted me to help him defraud the

> SA government of a few million dollars! Would any of our SA members have a good idea for where I can forward his

> message to cause him the maximum possible damage?

This is generally known as the "Nigerian Scam". There are so many instances of it, that the best advice is to simply ignore it. If everybody ignores it, they will simply go away! In my own case, I had a guy ring me offering a share of 100's of millions of $$$$$. Apparently a plane went down with lots of IT contractors and he felt I was owed this money! As the saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it is!" Check out

http://www.tafkac.org/ulz/scam419.html for full details of this scam

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Date: 19 Aug 2002 11:28:13 +0100

From: Owen H.Morgan

Subject: Re:  SPAM related to psioneering digest home page?

Howdy!

Alan Rabbitte wrote (> ):

> I wonder is it something to do with the

> psioneering digest home page? I did a search for

> your email address using Google. There were 2 hits

> - 1 was your own site,

To the best of my knowledge, the only place on my site my address appears is on http://home.no.net/naomij/email.html and there it has extra spaces added and is non-clickable, so I don't understand how that instance can turn up on Google.

> the other www.psioneering.co.uk/digests/13.html.

Since I've been trying very hard to keep this address clean, I certainly don't want it to appear anywhere on the web. Please, can whomever is responsible for the psioneering site make sure to remove or camoflage all e-mail addresses on the site? Either replace with something else, like for instance <EPOC> (not <AT>) which would make it possible for anyone with half a brain to contact the author of any particular post or remove everything after to make it totally SPAM proof.

And for everyone else, NEVER EVER post someone elses e-mail address in a public place without asking their permission FIRST!

PS.

The other day, I also received a "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT." spam message from

"Joseph Edward" who apparently is "Executive Accountant with the South Africa  DEPARTMENT OF MINERAL RESOURCES AND ENERGY". I didn't understand half of it, but it seems that he wanted me to help him defraud the SA government of a few million dollars! Would any of our SA members have a good idea for where I can forward his message to cause him the maximum possible damage?

Thought for the day:

The fact that you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you!

Owen

Now in my last harbour in Norway, waiting for a fair wind for Shetland

Sandshamn, Møre & Romsdal, NW Norway

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