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Epoc Digest Sat, 21 Sep 2002 Volume 01 : Number 080

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Sent to: 618 subscribers

In today's Epoc Digest 28 messages:

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- Psion repair; Lineone

- S5mx-Toshiba IR transfer

- 5mx: grabbing screenshots

- S7

- Re : DrB5Read URL

- Navigate for Epoc

- HP Jornada

- IBM Microdrives: older verses newer

- Mission Impossible ?????????

- Re: scan of complete tree / Fontmachine

- RE: What happened?

- Re: Space-case

- RE: GPRS

- Re: FontMachine

- NETPAD WINCE / H/PC FAMILY / DELETING BACKUP FOLDER

- GPS & S7 , Merlin,

- Missing Jotter

- Re: Successful fax reception - T39 & Psion5 !

- Re: PSION withrawal & repair

- Hiding System

- Bioeddie's moving

- Screen Cable Statistics

- PDF printer

- S5 - any other way to access "Spell"?

- Re: Reading the whole tree on a CF

- Re: Psion and WinCE

- GPRS, Netpad & WinCE, GPRS =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=10?= charges, Mailbox settings, Crontab, Disclaimers,

- Re: Sh-top Sh-top!

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Date: 19/09/2002 11:29:58 am

From: "Tom Robertson"

Subject: Psion repair; Lineone

Dear All,

You may recall me mentioning a problem I have had with the ribbon on my psion 5mx. Basically i think i need a new one and am in need of some help in deciding who and where to send it for repair. I'm not too keen to spend the £70 psion charges (if they still do).

Secondly, I have a friend who has for a while been trying to join this digest but has not been able to. Who do I contact? Is this addr

Lastly, I have for a long time been using my psion with a lineone connection to access my email (PO3). However, recently my psion has for no apparent reason decided not to connect. I use the same connection on my pc and this seems to work fine. Has lineone recently changed something? DOes anyone have the correct settings for this?

Thanks in advance for any help.

regards,

Tom

PS. Am also looking for a cheap psion 7 if anyone has one

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Date: 19/09/2002 12:22:22 pm

From: Peter Q Blackburn

Subject: S5mx-Toshiba IR transfer

Has anyone successfully transferred files between an S5mx and a Toshiba Pocket PC using infrared?

TIA

pqb

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Date: 19/09/2002 4:17:24 pm

From: "Chris Cooper"

Subject: 5mx: grabbing screenshots

I have a note from somewhere (can't find the subject in my 5mx Help or the printed manual) saying that you can capture the screen image by pressing Shift+Control+Fn+S - if you can find enough fingers. You merge the resulting file into Sketch (with EPOC Picture as the filetype).

I'm sure I've done this in the past, but I can't make it work now. At least, I can't detect any new file being created by these keypresses.

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Best,

Chris

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Date: 19/09/2002 4:41:11 pm

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: S7

Looking for a Psion S7 for a colleague of mine who saw my S7 <G>. Anyone any ideas in London where to find the best price / availabillity ?

Bye,

Itamar Engelsman

London, United Kingdom

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Date: 19/09/2002 5:48:23 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re : DrB5Read URL

Jack wrote:

http://pNicolas.epocboulevard,com/MacroList.html

BTW Sergio's Scroller macro works well"

Just to point out that Scroller *is* DrB5Read - but with Sergio's changes and a new name :)

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 19/09/2002 5:54:06 pm

From: "Jon Welford"

Subject: Navigate for Epoc

Hi yachties or those who just want to know what the tide is doing Jon Wetton said that Navigate by Wizworld was no longer being updated for Epoc. This is not so as Stephen of Wizworld has just mailed me to say that 4.03 is being worked on.

Cheers

Jon Welford

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Date: 19/09/2002 6:47:27 pm

From: "Andy Salmon"

Subject: HP Jornada

Dear All,

I have been away for 2 weeks and have only just read the back digests. By some coincidence I have just purchased a 2nd user Jornada 680 for £135, and for my use- PIM, contacts and basic word processing it far exceeds what I have come to expect of the Psion range. I have been with Psion since the 3, 3c, 5ive and now Mako. I was so taken with the 680 I have ordered a brand new end of range 710 for £250.

The colour is so vibrant and the battery does last a full 7 hours. I have found that on softer surfaces the machine does rock and yes it is bigger and heavier, but I have weighed that off against a supplied (and secure) docking cradle and perfect synchronisation with XP that gives me the choice whether to change entries on the 680 or on XP- PsiWin has never done this for me.

I have used the 680 for 2 weeks and for my (limited) use i.e. one app open at a time, limited word processing and PIM use I find it is more useful for me than Psions, yet comparable i.e. instant on, good battery life etc. To this end I have a range of Psions machines I am selling.

A classic 5ive, peeling paint but okay screen cable and two Makos just over a year old. One is fine and the other did have battery problems but I think it is now cured. Both are in very good condition, the first having been used as a back up machine. I will take offers as a lot or separates.

Now that I am in effect "deserting" may I be really cheeky and ask if anyone can point me to any good newsgroups/links for the Jornada?

I will continue to read the Digest will interest. Best wishes to all of you and hope that you all enjoy many years of Psioneering to come.

Andy Salmon

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Date: 19/09/2002 7:02:37 pm

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: IBM Microdrives: older verses newer

I've just taken the plunge and got a nice BIG 1Gb IBM Microdrive for my S7. I had been using one of the first 340Mb ones since I first got my S7 (now rather full!) but I have heard that IBM have improved the performance of their minature hard drives since those early ones. The old one I have has since been discontinued. Anyway, I can vouch for the fact that this new one, despite having three times the capacity, is actually faster in operation and considerably quieter too. IBM claims it uses less power from the host machine than the older version but I've only started using it today so I can't verify that yet. However, I do keep very accurate records of my S7's battery performance so I should be able to make a direct comparison within a week or so if anyone is interested. This is from IBM's Microdrive site:

<Technical advances over the first-generation Microdrive:

Sustained data rate is improved, so the drive draws less power from the host device, thus extending battery life.

Improved non-operating shock rating by 50 percent (from 1,000 G to 1,500 G). This is a measure of how rugged the drive is when turned off or not in use >

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 19/09/2002 8:14:16 pm

From: John Wetton

Subject: Mission Impossible ?????????

Hi Everyone,

Your ( non-Epoc I'm afraid!) mission should you choose to accept it is to find some software to do this...........

I want to rotate the screen image on my laptop and still run all my normal software.

Why?? I'd like to mount my laptop upside down on the deckhead ( ceiling to any landlubbers out there) of my other halfs new yacht ( not as grand as it sounds its 25 foot long and nearly 14 years old!).This will keep drips off it, save space, and reduce reflected glare.

Why am I asking this here?? The idea was inspired by the requests for screen rotation software for Psions a few Digests ago - that, and I don't know of a resource like this Digest for Windows !!!!!!!!!

Rest assured this message will NOT self-destruct.

All the best,

John

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Date: 19/09/2002 8:30:43 pm

From: "Thomas F. van der Zijden"

Subject: Re: scan of complete tree / Fontmachine

On 19 Sep 02, at 20:13, Simon Jeffree wrote:

> On my 5mx with

> a nearly full 128Mb SanDisk CF which was formatted in the 5mx, it takes 10 > seconds to show the dialog box, then if I press the 'Tab' key, it takes a > further 30 seconds before the fully expanded hierarchy is shown. But it

> saves files in usually less than a second.

THANK YOU for that statement! I have a 128Mo Sandisk and a

5mx too and I too experience these delays, or even longer ones. I

started to think that something was wrong. But it seems that

Sandisks are slow. I should really format it with EDU, I think.

Re: Fontmachine

I use it to read the formulas in some PDF files which use Greek

symbols. I load the Symbol font and Fontmachine and then I can

read them. I _think_ it is Fontmachine which does that, but I am

not quite sure.

Yours truly,

Thomas van der Zijden

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Date: 19/09/2002 8:53:13 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: RE: What happened?

David Lir wrote:-

>> This is the reason. If you write in Word, be sure to copy pure text in the Email, only."

> Kind of hard to copy 'pure text' from Word into Email isn't it?? There's no 'paste as pure text' feature in EPOC that I'm aware of. If there's a way to copy pure text into Email please let me know! I know I can do an export to text in Word and then copy and paste, but a real 'copy pure text' feature could be useful - maybe.

I do it every day. At home I connect using my S7 for e-mails. Digests from a number of lists are then copied with Crtl+C to a new 'Word' file for each digest.

These are then sent by Ir to my Revo+ for editing (to keep notes in Jotter files) and to type my replies into separate 'Word' files, while at work etc.

While away from home I generally use my 5mx as it's smaller than the S7.

I use the Revo+ as it reduces the wear on the 5mx screen printed wiring cable, it's a bit smaller and probably more robust. It also balances well in both hands, just like the 3a/3mx, which excellent feature got lost when the S5 was designed.

Ir is then used in the reverse direction so that I can send my replies.

I have none of the problems that started this thread. I also use Ctrl + Shift + C to use ß = German double SS, ½ = half and the € = Euro from Fn + E. These are all in the upper half of the character set. These are all displayed by a German version of M$ IE5 OK.

Alan R Morris, GW4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion & Nokia 6210e.

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Date: 19/09/2002 8:53:22 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Re: Space-case

David Lir wrote:-

> what is the Shift-space character use for?

To keep text together so that it's not split at the end of a line.

Insert text here [ ] and watch the text scroll 'shift space' and 'normal space' between each word.

Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion & Nokia 6210e.

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Date: 19/09/2002 8:53:32 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: RE: GPRS

Itamar Engelsman wrote:-

> I was assured by Vodaphone that my rate for GPRS is Gbp 2.35 / Mb irrespective of whether I am in the UK or in Europe. I did not yet receive my first GPRS bill so can't confirm it yet <G>.

That's interesting Itamar as normally using a mobile phone abroad incurs two charges. One for the home provider and the other for the away provider. Please let the digest know, when your bill arrives.

Alan R Morris, GW4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion & Nokia 6210e.

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Date: 19/09/2002 9:10:07 pm

From: "Steve Hodgson"

Subject: Re: FontMachine

> I find my databases much more readable in fonts other than the built-

> in ones

One of the main reasons I love this application is just the sheer

geekiness of it, more seriously though it overcomes one of the real

limitations of the EPOC machines. I can create documents using the

same fonts I would use at the desktop, just pull them over and not have

to mess around quite so much.

On a related topic, has anyone used a non-proportional font that works

well on a Psion? Recommendations please. I loathe courier for plain

text file but feel that only non-proportional fonts can be used in

plain text. All the usual ones that work for me on BeOS and Windows

seem to look grotty on a Psion screen.

Regards,

Steve Hodgson

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Date: 19/09/2002 10:48:16 pm

From: Peter Keene

Subject: NETPAD WINCE / H/PC FAMILY / DELETING BACKUP FOLDER

Hi Guys,

For Caspar Lam re the netpad WINCE platform:

They're not replacing ER 5 on the netpad Caspar - WINCE is being offered as an option. There's been mention of this being available for the netBook too. Last time I checked Psion Teklogix's website this option was not on the netBook pages, but it would make equal commercial sense.

For Rolf re the H/PC family:

For the record Rolf, the machines I was referring to are all H/PC or H/PC Pro. If you add machines running generic or embedded CE v 2 or v 3 then the list gets really long. The following is not exhaustive but will give you an idea of the type of machines which may be revised if MS decides to carry the H/PC platform forward to CE.net (v 4):

HP Jornada 7xx - H/PC 2000 - already mentioned.

NEC MobilePro 790 - H/PC 2000 - already mentioned.

NEC MobilePro 880 - H/PC Pro - this was still available in May - not sure if it's still in production.

Fujitsu PenCentra 200 - H/PC 2000.

Hitachi ePlate 600-ETM - H/PC Pro.

Intermec 6651 - H/PC 2000.

Itronix fex21 - H/PC 2000

Brainium DreamMax - H/PC Pro.

Six of these machines are keyboard/pen devices.

For Terry Gordon re deleting Backup folder:

Your problem is probably caused by files in your folder and sub-folders that have the Read Only attribute selected. You cannot delete those files or the folders that contain them until you deselect the attribute.

Apologies for the long posting.

Regards,

Peter

Cape Town.

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Date: 20/09/2002 12:17:01 am

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: GPS & S7 , Merlin,

Re. GPS & S7 - I wanted to see how it looks to use my S7 with streetplanner and my GSP and tried it out today. WOW ! It really looks different, much clearer, larger screen, "heads-up" really works well on this size screen. If only I could afford the car stand for the S7 which is available from POD Ltd. in the UK (www.poduk.com) for around 200 pounds ... Has aynoe got a diggerent solution for using a S7 in the car ?

Re. Merlin - Did any users of this program notice how it takes hold of memory and does not release it again ? Tonight suddenly I only had 1.7 Mb left. I closed Merlin ad it was 3.5 again, after opening it again it went down to 2.7 Mb. It had swallowed 1 Mb without releasing it. Any ideas why this happens ? Anyone from Neuon around ?

Bye,

Itamar Engelsman

London, United Kingdom

PS: Very saddened by the murder of the English boy in Israel. My sons knew him very well and one of them learned with this boy every day for the last month or so. It is alway much more painful when it hits someone you know.b

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Date: 20/09/2002 3:34:34 am

From: "Janet I. Fine"

Subject: Missing Jotter

HELP! While I was on a recent vacation I sent my 5mx in for service and took my Series 5 with me, moving my flash disk out of the 5mx into the older machine. While I was away I took a lot of notes in Jotter. I didn't turn on the Series 5 for about a week after I got back home and discovered it needed a backup battery which I then replaced. After installing the new battery, however, Jotter had disappeared along with its data! I tried a soft reset but it didn't help. My Series 5 doesn't seem to have a "Find" feature like my 5mx so I can't search for my missing file that way. Should I try to restore the backup I made before I went on vacation to the Series 5 hoping that both my Jotter and the data will become visible once again? Does anyone have another idea? I know the program and data were visible on the plane when I was coming home a week ago.

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Date: 20/09/2002 8:39:29 am

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Successful fax reception - T39 & Psion5 !

Dear Jason,

<< Judging by your choice of holiday destination, I would've thought you enjoyed a bit of cliff-hanging <BG> >>

Cliff-hanging isn't one of my interests. Though I did scale Scafell Pike, Helvellin and the Old Man of Coniston as a fell walker twenty years ago. I'm interested in early British history and my trip has been planned on the basis of it. I simply had to visit the grave of the Venerable Bede (the father of British historical writing) at Durham Cathedral and the remains of St. Paul's Monastery at Jarrow where Bede lived from age 7 to his death (age 63). I've also driven along the old Roman Stane Gate road, visiting the remains of the fortifications and garrison towns along Hadrian's wall.

<< Speed: 9600 >>

Better increase this to 19,200 bps as infrared transmission takes an overhead. You're currently forcing a 9600 bps GSM data speed through a 9600 minus overhead infrared 'pipe' between phone and Psion.

<< Fax: ATS0=2 >>

This is normally not needed. Instruct the Email application to "Wait for fax call" and it sends the necessary ATS0 command to the phone/modem.

<< Flow control: none >>

And this is the strange one - no flow control. Could you satisfy my curiosity by checking with Comms what your T39's reaction is to the AT&K3 command? When the T39 answers with OK it's best to change the following settings:

- Init: ATZ&K3

- Flow control: Hardware (RTS/CTS)

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - On holidays in the UK

Message written at the Newton House Hotel - Glencarse - Perthshire

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Date: 20/09/2002 8:39:40 am

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: PSION withrawal & repair

Dear Jason,

<< I must take exception with your comments here - there are plenty of Psion5's in use beyond 3 years. In fact there are people still using Series3's and older devices >>

Which doesn't change the fact that their economical life is between two and three years. In other words, the purchase price has been written off and the value in the accounts is zero after three years. Though this is a corporate accounting practice it's also true for private ownership. The people who still own an original Series 5 will think twice about having it repaired when it fails. The cost of repair is more than it's economical value. I'm afraid the overall majority will decide to replace the 5 by a new PDA which allows them to do things they can't do with a 5.

There you have the conflict between the legal requirement Edgar refers to and practical (economical) reality. Having to offer a full repair service and spare parts supply for a period that's three times the economical life of a PDA, or other computer, doesn't make sense. You have spares on stock that only gather dust. You need to keep the knowledge of service engineers refreshed so that they can do repairs they won't perform anymore. Etc, etc.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - On holidays in the UK

Message written at the Newton House Hotel - Glencarse - Perthshire

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Date: 20/09/2002 9:01:07 am

From: "Rick Gillyon"

Subject: Hiding System

Hi,

Simon Jeffree wrote:

> BTW, in theory, you should be able to reduce the delay by choosing NOT to show the 'System' folder, in the System screen preferences. However in practise, I find it makes hardly any difference.

I find it makes a big difference, showing System puts up the presentation of an Open... dialog from less than a second to 4 or 5 seconds (note that most built-in programs ignore the system area anyway so it won't make any difference there). In my case this is probably because the non-system stuff has a simple structure, while System contains a lot of Street files, many small files in a fairly deep tree. It's definitely worth trying for a lot of people, you'll be surprised at how rarely you need to go into System areas in day-to-day use.

Bye,

Rick http://www.gillyon.com/

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Date: 20/09/2002 1:45:03 pm

From: "Bioeddie"

Subject: Bioeddie's moving

Can please update your bioeddie link to now read <http://www.bioeddie.co.uk> www.bioeddie.co.uk this will take affect from 28 september 2002

Can you please also pass this message on to all the other readers through the epocdigest

best regards

eddie

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