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Epoc Digest Fri, 29 Nov 2002 Volume 01 : Number 117 ************************************************************************

Sent to: 717 subscribers

In today's Epoc Digest 26 messages:

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- BCC on Compuserve Classic?

- Dighandler

- Life is so simple

- Re: Web on Mako; RepEvMail

- AMerica phoning# 116

- RE: Portable InfraRed Printer

- Re: International Phone prefixes

- Re: Morality

- Compile C II

- Re : Best portable printers

- Lost spaces in the Digest.

- Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

- C or C++ compiler

- International Phone prefixes, Using S7 in the car, Marketing of PDA,

- Psion Marketing in North America (and elsewhere)

- Re: Questions about Revo...

- Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

- EpocWeb

- Re: DigHandler sw & copyright

- Emulator

- SUBSCRIBE + HELP!

- MailArc

- Rolf- Re: Siemens, Series 5, Virgin/Tiscali

- Re: Shareware, registration codes and 'morality'

- Rejoining the club with Nokia 7650

- Re: Tom Tom Cityplanner

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Date: 26/11/2002 4:00:50 am

From: Jim Watson-Gove

Subject: BCC on Compuserve Classic?

I've got Rolf's modified e-list software up and running and it is indeed atreat (thanks Rolf, thanks Itamar). Only one problem, and it is the reason

I didn't make it past the first cut for the list support team: Earthlink +EPOC mail client doesn't support BCC. When shaking down the list I had anumber of people complain about the potential for attracting spam by havingall 180 some addresses showing.

My first thought was to wait until my big machines get up here and see ifEarthlink with the Earthlink mail client supports BCC. I could run ROLF'ssoftware, then transfer the created email address list to my Dell and paste

it into the email client.

My current thinking (I like to work where ever I am - that's why I use aPsion wherever possible instead of the Dell) is to sign up for a CompuserveClassic account and use it for list email. I see a second list serving

poets in the area coming up so the $8 a month would be easily justified.

Can anyone out there running Classic Compuserve on a Psion machine tell mewhether or not Classic Compuserve supports BCC?

TIA,

jim - port townsend

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Date: 26/11/2002 10:36:39 am

From: Epoc Digest

Subject: Dighandler

Answer to: Rolf Brunsting

First of all I think Rolf is a good developer on the basis of working

several months with his digest program to run this digest. Secondly, if youdid not succeed to run the program RepEvMail, why did you not at least

contact the developer instead of simply deleting the program ? As there aremany satisfied users of the program, it could of course also have been yourparticular problem instead of a general one ?

Your last remark I find a little "below the belt". Even if a program wouldhave a problem, that does not say anything about the other programs written

by the same developer, and certainly would not be a reason to announce your"blackmailing" the author in public. Even large commercial softwarehouses

have succesfull and unsuccsesfull programs (Windows has got very stable aswell as totally unstable versions).

Personally I use neither RepEvMail nor Dighandler so cannot comment oneither.

Best regards,

Itamar

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Date: 26/11/2002 10:45:37 am

From: Andy Hayes

Subject: Life is so simple

Hi All

It always aggrieved me that I couldn't get onto the net with my Orange JustTalk (pay as you go tariff) Nokia 6210. Now that I have moved house there isno signal from Orange so I have swapped over to TMobile on contract. Forreasons that I won't bore you with I also decided to have a TMobile pay as

you go SIM to put into my spare 6210. Just as a matter of interest I pointedthe Psion at it and bingo - connected to the net. Amazing. Why can'teverything be this easy?

Andy Hayes

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Date: 26/11/2002 3:52:17 pm

From: Kevin Collins

Subject: Re: Web on Mako; RepEvMail

Hi folks.

Re Web on Mako

Andrew wrote (>):

>Web does run OK (aftermany unsuccessful attemps > I heard of the trick withthe system 'read only'file, I > think from the newsgroup). I am sure it willwork for

> you also.

Andrew, thanks again. Actually before I even had to try, I found on thePsion website, a version of Web for Revo, and it runs perfectly without anyadjustments.

Re RepEvMail

In the light of Rolf B's criticism of it, I would like to compliment Rolf Von this freeware application, which I use on a regular basis, and to thankhim

for the unpaid time spent on it. Yes, it takes a little time to set up, butnot that long, and the finished product is well worth the trouble IMHO.

Regards,

Kevin [Cork, Ireland]

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Date: 26/11/2002 4:48:38 pm

From: vlad arghir

Subject: AMerica phoning# 116

> Epoc Digest wrote:

> Also could anyone stateside fill me in on the way mobile phones work Thestrange thing in the US was that I was also billed for RECEIVING CALLS! ...

I just got an ITT prepaid for 80 USS includding a no-frills old Nokia - justneeded to be reachable and get/send sms

best,

vlad

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Date: 26/11/2002 5:22:40 pm

From: "Martin Dehler"

Subject: RE: Portable InfraRed Printer

Hi David, hi Digest!

> Could someone advise me as to the best quality and smallest > portableprinter for use with my netbook, whilst out on the road. I can only make asuggestion regarding the 'smallest' topic.

You may have a look at the Pentax PocketJet 200(http://www.pentaxtech.com/Products/PJ200/PJ200_frameset.html). It's an25,5*5,5*3,0 cm small and 513g light thermal printer for A4 or Letter paperformat. The main disadvantage is that you need 'special' paper for thermalprinting (like fax paper) and that you can only print black/white. For usewith infrared you need an additional infrared adapter also supplied fromPentaxTech.

> Would I have to install any further drivers for your suggestion

> or will the drivers that come with the netBook suffice.

Yes. The PocketJet uses his own drivers, which have to be installed on thenetbook (about 20kB).

> I would also like the option for it to use battery power as well as mains.The PocketJet is powered by a NiCd-Battery and is shipped with a mainsadaptor/charger.

I'm using a PocketJet 200 for about 1 1/2 years regular and are still happywith this leightweight 'rucksack-suitable' printing solution. Printing

quality is sufficient for my personal needs as i'm usually printing text andonly seldom graphics. I call the combination of my Series 5mx, the PocketJetand a mobile phone: '1 Kilo Office' ;-)

Other mobile printers I know, but haven't used are the BJC-50/55/85 familyfrom Canon and the Hewlett-Packard HP Deskjet 350CBi.

HTH Martin

Martin Dehler - Ludwigshafen - Pfalz - Gerhttp://www.martin-dehler.de

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Date: 26/11/2002 7:48:15 pm

From: "Steve Hodgson"

Subject: Re: International Phone prefixes

> I'm running a netBook with ROM version 158 and having problems

> dialling out

> of some countries. In Goteburg the other day and Email kept inserting

> a 9

> into the number dialled when I was trying to connect to the net via

> my> English ISP. Had to go into World and edit the country details to

> change the

> international prefix from 009 to just 00.

This sounds like you may be using so-called "Smart" dialling. This is

set as part of the Internet service settings in the control panel.

When I first moved to OS build 158 I started to get problems with this

and wouldn't claim to have sorted it yet as some combinations of mobile

/Gold Card and location don't quite hand together.

The closest I got to fixing this was via the 'infinite monkeys'/'HomerSimpson' approach of pressing all combinations of buttons until I got

things reasonably close.

Cheers,

Steve Hodgson

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Date: 26/11/2002 8:32:59 pm

From: "Henri Spagnolo"

Subject: Re: Morality

Hello,

To Astrid:

I understand your point of view, and what would be fair is that the authormake it available as freeware or provide a generic code to all. Some authorshave done that and others don't. In this last case nobody has to blame theauthor and this for many reasons: when a software is made available asfreeware because the author abandonned it, he still receive emails from

users asking to implement this or that etc... But the author does not want

to take care about it anymore, so sometime it is better to stop everything.

Just as general information, a software is fully protected by the copyright,and in Europe, the period of protection for Copyright has been extended from50 years to 70 years after the death of the author. So...... since somebodycan do something with it.......

Regards

Henri

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Date: 26/11/2002 8:52:32 pm

From: Alberto

Subject: Compile C II

Hello

I have the program compiled on Intel architecture 32bits. Then you can do

the test only running it in "MSDOS" and take the time data. For your

machine, looking the assembly (or I will say you), you can find out theMFLOPS or MIPS

Only write me, and I will send you the executable and source. I too send youmy data if you want.

I can't post it because it is no my program. Too is a beautiful idea that

you send me your data.

Download CPU-Z .exe from:

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

This program (free) tell you all your system CPU, Bus, ....L1,L2,....

Greetings.

Alberto

Spain

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Utiliza el PC más puntero! Las mejores ofertas en exclusiva

en i (españa): http://www.iespana.es/_reloc/email.dell

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Date: 26/11/2002 8:59:03 pm

From: J.

Subject: Re : Best portable printers

Re : best portable printers

Hi David who asked :

<...Would I have to install anyfurther drivers for your <suggestion or willthe drivers that come with thenetBook suffice....>

I suggest to look at :

http://www.aps.anl.gov/~anj/

for the best drivers an ideas about small printers for Epoc

Jack

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Date: 26/11/2002 9:42:16 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Lost spaces in the Digest.

Greetings,

I've noticed that many postings to internet digests/lists etc have manyspaces between words missing. I've always put this down to poor typing

skills and a laziness to read and edit one's text.

However my posting that ended the last Digest had lost many spaces, so I hada look in my 'Sent' folder. The spaces aren't missing there. Any ideas?

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Date: 22/11/2002 11:15:43 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

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Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion 7 & Nokia 6210e

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Date: 26/11/2002 10:02:53 pm

From: Rolf Vonau

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

Reference is made to the mail in the EPOC DIGEST V1 # 116 :

Rolf Brunsting wrote at Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:44:47+0100 (> ):

Hi Rolf,

I would like to answer to your a.m. mail:

At first I would say that its tone isn't netiquette-like.

Concerning the programs I think, everyone is free to use them or not, even

to choose their developers. As hundreds of people do use it and aresatisfied, it could of course also be your problem.

When you unsuccessfully tried to install the program RepEvMail, why did younot ask me like other users to give support?

At last I would point out, that all people using the program was satisfiedwith the instruction. I can't say that the instruction is without faults.

But just as Owen (the well known in this Digest Owen H. Morgan) stated, thatmy English translation of both the program and the instruction was bad, heproposed me (and did it) to improve the translation of the RepEvMail ! Thankyou again, Owen. That's what I call helping criticism.

Best Regards

RolfMunich

http://home.arcor.de/rhvonau/index.htm

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Date: 26/11/2002 11:21:12 pm

From: "Euan Mee"

Subject: C or C++ compiler

Does anyone know of a C or C++ compiler that's been ported to run on anactual Psion 5mx itself?

(It doesn't need to be sophisticated or powerful - just eensy and basic).

Alternatively, does anyone know of any small, basic, open source C or C++compilers that could be compiled to run on the PSion 5mx?

(I want to start C / C++ programming, and I'd prefer to do my exercises on

my Psion, rather than tied to my PC)

Thank you in anticipation,

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Date: 27/11/2002 12:06:54 am

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: International Phone prefixes, Using S7 in the car, Marketing ofPDA,

Answer to: Darryl Kempster

Re: International Phone prefixes - I suppose you meant you went into Time

and changed details there (there is no "World" program AFAIK). I think the 9is actually added in Control Panel, dialling and Ctrl-E to edit the currentlocation under "dial out". Certainly the international code appears to becorrect for both Helsinki and Gothenburg on my S7.

Answer to: Rolf Brunsting

Re. Using S7 in the car - I actually meant a way to use it together with aGPS to follow a route in route- or streetplanner. Tonight I just put it on

my dashboard for a few minutes of local driving. The quality of the screen

is of course great in comparison with the 5MX in car use. The heads up makessense on the S7 screen, not on the 5MX. Now I'll have to find a way to

attach it securely for use while driving, near enough to the steering wheelnot to lose eye contact with the road while glancing on the map.

Re. Marketing of PDA - You wrote "you end up with a product that's nodifferent from theproducts of five or six Pocket PC competitors". That's why

I believe Psion will never get back into the market - if it would wish to -with a "me too" product, and it would have to be some new innovation. Youcontinue to write "The new Symbian OS based Psion is more difficult to

design as you'll have todo the job yourself", that's why it will be very

hard for Psion / Symbian ever to get back into the market.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

The Epoc Digest Team

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Date: 27/11/2002 2:15:10 am

From: Cyril Catt

Subject: Psion Marketing in North America (and elsewhere)

Francois Boller, Rolf Brunsting, Jim Cooke, Itamar Engelsman, Susan Hoffman,and others have all given their slant why Psion's US marketing failed.

Another factor might have been Psion's failure to get together with Apple. Iread rumours of meetings between the two, but nothing came of them. Yet

since production of the Newton and the P3 ceased there has been no

convenient PDA for Mac users. File transfer between the P5 and Macs was

never easy. File transfer between Palm and Mac is easier, and Apple now

touts the Palm as a companion to the Mac, but the Palm lacks theout-of-the-box abilities of the P3 or P5 (word processor, spreadsheet,database and keyboard) and even when fully optioned, lacks the simpleconvenience and wider capabilities of the Psions (keyboard; bigger,

landscape, screen; better battery life etc.). And given the strong loyalty

of Mac and Psion users, and the complementary nature of the two platforms, Iwould have expected a strong synergy between them.

Cyril Catt

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Date: 27/11/2002 4:24:39 am

From: "Mike Fellhauer"

Subject: Re: Questions about Revo...

>From: Antonio Luís

>2-Is it true that they are out of production?? >3-In the range, in youropinion, the 5 mx means a great improvement?? They >will go on production??>4-Do you think that the internal memory of Revo can be increased ?'

All Psions are out of production except for the "net" series (netBook,

netpad)...but sometimes they make a few more 5mx's to keep up with demand.You can't say the 5mx is an improvement as it was out before the Revo...theRevo was released as a smaller version of the 5mx (minus a few features; CFslot, backlight, regular batteries, smaller screen)...just like the Siena

was a smaller version (also minus a few features) of the 3c series machines.The internal memory of the Revo can be increased but at the same time you

will decrease your battery life. The loss per day of the 8 meg Revo is 3%and the 16 meg Revo Plus is 5-6%. Anyway, a company that does internalmodifications on the Revo is http://www.pda-upgrade.20m.com

Regarding the financial program, head to the EPOC section of

http://www.tucows.com and look in the productivity section. I can't give

you a direct link as it's different depending on what country you're from.

As for getting a 5mx, look on eBay or eBay.co.uk for used ones. Maybe youcan get a new one shipped to you from www.posltd.com in the UK.

Mike

_________________________________________________________________

Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.

http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Date: 27/11/2002 7:47:11 am

From: "U. Hornstein"

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

From: Rolf Brunsting

<< I was disappointed to hear the other day that Rolf has very fewregisteredusers of DigHandler >>

<All I can say is that I tried out another application Rolf Vonau

mentionedto me. I think it was called RepEvMail and the mention came as theresult ofan exchange with Digest staff.

I installed RepEvMail on two of my Psions plus the Ericsson but couldn'tgetit to work at all.

...

I'm afraid my judgement of applications like RepEvMail and their

developersis a harsh one. Such applications are in no state to be released

to thegeneral public - they're junk bytes. And the developer who does

release suchan application comes on my "No software by ..." list.

I am afraid I have to present another opinion. While I agree thatREM=ReplyEveryMail has a LOT of options and is therefore somewhat difficult

to use: once you have mastered it, it does a brilliant job, configurable toalmost any personal taste, especially for answering mails from within a

digest (together with DigestHandler from the same author), multi-languaged.

The reason why I write here: nobody should be discouraged to try this SW. Ireally like it. If one has trouble, I am sure that Rolf Vonau gives a

helping hand (and eventually improves the documentation, if needed).

With greetings from Germany

Ulrich Hornstein

sent by MC218 (EPOC palmtop)

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Date: 27/11/2002 8:23:53 am

From: bernard olij

Subject: EpocWeb

Hi,

Thank you all for the very useful information provided through the Digestover the last couple of month.

Can anyone help me with the following:

I tried Opera browser with my Psion 5mx and Travel Modem, but it doesn'twork for me. Now I try to install WebEpoc v2.00 and get the message:

''Comms component (TCP/IP) missing. Install component''. The disappearanceprobably happened during a hard reset some time ago.

Question: Where do I find this component and where and how do I install it?Can anybody advice? Thanks.

Bernard Olij

On the slope of Mount Kawi at 500m. a.s.l.

Dau, (112°35'E, 7°55'S)

East-Java,Indonesia ;)

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Date: 27/11/2002 1:50:32 pm

From: Jan R Gustafsson

Subject: Re: DigHandler sw & copyright

Rolf Brunsting wrote at 25/11/2002 9:44:47 pm in

EPOC DIGEST V1 # 116

> I'm afraid my judgement of applications like

> RepEvMail and their developers is a harsh one.

It sure is! But I think every sw should be judged on it's own merits /drawbacks. And as you yourself has stated on this digest: it is up to each

one of us to make our decision to use or not use sw suggested in postings

and otherwise.

>I trust some will say "That's the legal position - how about the

>moral position?". Well ... that's easy to answer because the law >embodiesourcommon moral and ethical standpoints. The United >Nations' universaldeclaration of human rights mentions that people >have the right to enjoy

the fruits of their labour. Copyright protection >ensures that a softwaredeveloper has the means to ensure the >financial compensation forhis/herintellectual work.

I fully agree with your most comprehensive declaration and conclusion. I

hope this can put an end to the IMO somewhat lengthy discussion on swproperty rights.

Best regards,

Jan G

Stockholm, Sweden

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Date: 27/11/2002 11:32:16 pm

From: Keith Giles

Subject: Emulator

Re my Add/Remove problem - I have solved that - it seems I might have hadsome non-wins files in the System\Controls folder. I replaced them with winsfiles. Now, when I get to the Add New window and navigate to any wins sis

file I have on my C drive, I get "not found". I just noticed a new clue.Every wins sis file there is grayed out. Does that give anybody a clue as towhat might be the problem?

Happy Cycling,

Keith

Sunnyvale, CA

http://home.attbi.com/~ohsix827/

Thought For The Day: Always try to drive so that your license will expirebefore you do.

All my outgoing e-mails have been checked by Norton Anti-virus.

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Date: 28/11/2002 12:07:31 am

From: Melvin Woody

Subject: SUBSCRIBE + HELP!

HELP!

My Diamond Mako abruptly informed me that it has "Not enough memory" tao

show the agenda -- nor even to switch dthe link from "Off" to "Cable" so

that I can back it up. It will show my Contacts (a sizable list) and thejotter - but not Sheets. Yet it reports that only 26% of the memory has

been used (4384 K - leaving 12000 K even.)

What could this mean? I tried deleting some files - Sheet spread sheets anda few jotter short files -- and the reading of 26% did not change. I couldreset and restore from a (not very recent) backup. I have synchronizedrecently, so my Agenda could be restored by synchronizing again once I beganfrom scratch. But why is it giving me a "Not enough memory" notice when Istill have 12,000 K free?

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Date: 28/11/2002 8:12:44 pm

From: "Steve Hodgson"

Subject: MailArc

I've been playing around with above application for a little while,

after it was mentioned inthe current issue of PalmTop User. For those

who don't know the application it allows the Email messages on the

Psion to be imported to a Data file via an intermediate text file.

At the back of my mind I want to make sure that one day in the(hopefully distant) future when I am moving files away from a Psion to

another platform I won't lose access to any of the data. The file

containing email always presented a problem to me as, other then

printing individual messages to PDF there didn't seem any other way toarchive the files for future reference. Seems like a good way to keep

the mail archive from getting too big as well.

I'll probably get round to registering this application once I've

played around a little more (innovative method of registration BTW) but

just wondered if anyone knows whether the 'splash' screen at startup

goes away after registration. This requires a positive acknowledgementbefore if goes away and really bugs in registered software. There's noregistration key system so, other than, using an external file mailed

out to a user I don't see how registration would work in practice.

Any registered users out there?

Regards,

Steve Hodgson

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Date: 28/11/2002 9:00:07 pm

From: "TonyL"

Subject: Rolf- Re: Siemens, Series 5, Virgin/Tiscali

Rolf

>>Sorry, I'm not into mind reading - which Siemens mobile phone are youtalking about?<<

I am good at missing out the important bits. Sorry.

The M35i, which is basicaly the C35 in a bombproof box.

Tony Littler

Swindon. UK

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Date: 28/11/2002 10:45:20 pm

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Shareware, registration codes and 'morality'

Dear All,

There are a few things I find strange about this discussion.

The first is that people seem to be unaware of what copyright means eventhough copyright isn't a recent phenomenon. The first international

agreement, the Berne Convention for the Protection of Library and ArtisticWorks, was ratified on September 9th, *1886*. This convention was based onexisting national copyright legislation and bilateral agreements. Currentversion of the Berne Convention is the 1972 (Paris) Universal CopyrightConvention. All nations around the globe have ratified the convention. One

of the last to do so was the People's Republic of China.

The second thing is that some people don't seem to consider the supply ofshareware as a business. A product is developed, brought to market and sold.It therefore shares a characteristic with other businesses - that the

product can be removed from sale. Rather unpleasant when you've just madeyour mind up and are keen to buy the product. Still, it's one of those

'facts of life'.

The business can even cease trading altogether so that the plug is pulled

out of the web site and e-mails land in the giant bit bucket in the sky. Inother words, there's nothing strange about not being able to contact ashareware author anymore. A company address and phone number we've stored inour Psions may no longer be valid for the same reason - the company has

ceased trading without us knowing it.

Third item is that not being able to contact the author is deemed sufficientfor people to feel free to do with the application what they like. Reasonsgiven are the principles of 'lost and found' and 'salvage of what's beenabandoned'. Both principles don't apply because:

1) A shareware application is never 'lost'. The business model of theshareware author is based on the free duplication and distribution of ademonstration version of the application. One of the side effects of the

model is that demo versions can still be around long after the author hasgone out of business.

2) Software is covered by copyright for a period of 10 years (if memoryserves me well) with no strings attached. Copyright remains in force when

the software is withdrawn by the author (well) before the protection periodis over. Claiming salvage is therefore of no use at all.

What I find really disappointing in this discussion is the proposal tocollect shareware applications that have been withdrawn from sale and to

start selling them with registration codes from a 'friend' who has broken

the coding scheme. The call for an 'honest person' to handle the

registration side of the scheme is laughable. What's honest about stealing

an application from the author and using it to raise money? I wonder what

the charity the proceeds are supposed to go to will think when they it hearsthe donations come from Shareware Theft & Developer Defrauding Ltd.

And then I'm not even talking about the effect this scheme will have on theshareware developer community. Is it interesting to release an

EPOC/SymbianOS application when you know there are people within the usercommunity who have the idea your application is for the taking? It only

takes one idiot to think you've 'abandoned' the application and there goesyour little source of income.

And that's what it is for most shareware authors - a *little* source ofincome. Only a small number of shareware authors can live from the proceeds

of their applications. The vast majority of shareware isn't even priced tocompensate for the investment in equipment and development tools plus thenumber of development and (technical) support hours. Quite a number ofshareware titles wouldn't have been profitable anyway because their salesvolume will never reach break-even point. The knowledgeable amateurs andsemi-professionals who develop and support shareware in their own spare timeshould be supported. They should NOT be given a slap in the face by stealingtheir work when time has come to call it a day.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 28/11/2002 10:46:41 pm

From: William Fuggle

Subject: Rejoining the club with Nokia 7650

Hi Folks,

Well I have rejoined the symbian community rather sooner than I anticipated.My son's phone died and I decided that the best way to proceed was to

upgrade my eric t68 and let him have it. I decided to try the 7650 as Orangehave changed their policy on upgrades and you have a week to decide whetherthe upgrade is suitable.

I was really unsure if the 7650 was what I wanted but have been surprised

and have decided to keep it. The keys are just as small as t68 but morewidely spaced so I find it easier to use. I just could not get nokia connectto work on my works pc but the documentation sounds very like epoc connect.

Fortunately Mac OS (Jaguar) comes with bluetooth support and drivers built

in and with a bluetooth exchange programme so I am able to drop .sis files

on it and off they whiz to the 7650 and get installed. The mail prog workswell and is obviously the psion / symbian one with about a trillion foldersand an index file. I just hope things have improved from my 5MX and revo

days and orphaned messages and attachments aren't a problem. Calendar isfairly basic but so am I and the screen is fantastically clear. Contacts isalso very useable and both are fairly reminiscent of psion and palm

offerings. To-Do is too basic with no alarm and I will try to find areplacement to download. Notes is very basic, need a prog to cut and pastebetween progs.

WAP is more useable than on t68 because of larger and clearer colour screen.Memory is tight with theoretical 4Mb but I won't load too many progs (5

extra downloaded so far and 2.9 Mb free after contacts, diary etc filled).

Now I have to work out syncml can be utilised to synchronise contacts andcalendar as network connection with Mac and Palm (I can send single itemsquite easily).

Bill Fuggle

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Date: 28/11/2002 11:54:00 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Re: Tom Tom Cityplanner

Itamar wrote:-

<< Tom Tom issued a new version of Cityplanner with over 240,000 citiesinEurope. I am not sure whether the program was updated as well or justthemaps, their website does not mention it. I don't know as yet eitherwhetherthere is an upgrade version for sale as well or that one has to buy

the fullprogram again. >>

<< If anyone has got more info, please share it with us. >>

Palmtop did in the past sell upgrade CDs at a reduced price, that requiredthe previous version installed on the Psion before the upgrade would run.

This then stopped about the time they started to use TomTom and I was unableto get any response from dealers or Palmtop. Eventually, by e-mail, I wassold an upgrade by Palmtop at an upgrade price, but the CD did not require

the previous version to be installed.

There were only new maps and cosmetic changes (the name changed to CityMapsand the red palm icon appeared) to the app. No real change to the app hasbeen noticed, but (as has happened before) no features were removed that I'maware of.

Their web site is often missing details of new products available, even

those that have been e-mailed direct to registered users.

Now a question. On NGs there are postings about the new PocketPC Navigatorproduct. Are the overlay files compatible with EPOC overlays?

Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion & Nokia 6210e.

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