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Epoc Digest Fri, 20 Dec 2002 Volume 01 : Number 129

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In today's Epoc Digest 25 messages:

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- Re: Satellite tracking software.

- Re: GPRS functionality, S5mx PRO ROM image, S5mx screen cable.

- Re: CF Memory for Psion 5mx

- Nokia 7650 - more good news!

- Re: MP3 encoding

- C++ SDK for ER5

- FW: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 128

- Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 128

- CDRW / MP3

- Synch to Sidekick 98

- RMRNews & GPRS

- 5mx vs 5mxPro

- XJMail for Psion,

- "E" drive usage, Psion mail folders, copying in netBook

- Re: RMRNews - Messages out of order

- Re: Shareware & Morality

- Re: DigHandler

- Re: ReplyEveryMail

- Re: MBMView

- Re: Ranting

- Re: "Kind" answers from Rolf Brunsting to "Dear" digesters...

- Re: Morality & Shareware

- Ericsson P800

- Re: Fake Duracells! It's a ripoff!

- Re: Allegro for Revo (handwriting recognition)

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Date: 18 Dec 2002 23:24:39 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Satellite tracking software.

Howdy!

Alan Morris wrote (> ):

> Owen the Basic code will be sent direct when I can

> get it from a PC.

Thanks.

> I used it to align my Sat TV dish at home without

> any problems.

It's a lot easier if you know the direction, particularly on a boat that is going to be moving around a bit whether she's at sea sailing a fixed course or in harbour, so the better the antenna is aimed to begin with, the less risk of loosing the signal when she goes up and down the waves. The antenna for the WorldSpace receiver will tolerate 20 - 30 degrees either side of the correct direction and the same amount up and down.

> My plans were to also use the GPS

> to provide my position when out and about in a

> motorhome.

The GPS will give you a great circle course (the shortest course on the surface of the globe), not a direct compass direction. The difference won't be that much on a north south course, but can be quite significant if your waypoint (the satellite) is a fair distance to the east or west of your longitude.

> Has anyone been able to access the GPS engine that

> comes with Palmtop/TomTom software?

I would assume it simply outputs standard NMEA so any navigation software should be able to read it. Try connecting it and opening Comms at 4800 baud 81N with either no handshaking or only Xon Xoff. You should see the NMEA messages scrolling across the screen.

I've never understood the idea of paying more money for a dedicated GPS when a normal handheld is cheaper, will do everthing the dedicated one does and can also be used on its own with internal batteries or external power. I'd never buy a fixed mount GPS for the boat either. If I loose all electric power at sea (which has happened to me on two occasions), my handheld Garmin 48 simply switches from external power to its internal batteries and keeps going.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Never eat at a place called Mom's. Never play cards with a man named Doc. And never lay down with a woman who's got more troubles than you.

- Nelson Algren

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 18 Dec 2002 23:24:49 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: GPRS functionality, S5mx PRO ROM image, S5mx screen cable.

Howdy!

Trygve Henriksen wrote (> ):

> I came upon a link to a german company.

> And get this: they claim that they're selling a

> non-original cable WITHOUT the known flaws...

> They also do Revo/Revo+ and S5mx upgrades and

> repairs the entire S3xx/Siena s5/mx and netBook

> range of computers.

> I could try to locate the link if anyone wants it.

Yes please. Do they also do RAM upgrades and replace screens? The touch sensitive layer on my MC218 is cracked. If I'm going to have to send it away, I might as well go the whole hog and have the maximum amount of RAM as well as any other goodies. I seem to remember a German company also put onboard battery charging on them. Is this the same company?

It all depends on the price though. Maybe it would be more cost effective to start looking for a second hand S7. The Mako covers most of my portable needs these days, so the MC218 stays at home. Since size isn't as much of an issue on the home computer, I might as well have a 7 or netbook...

> Who just received the Psion CP-Four software

> package.

> Now, where did I put that old 5.1/4" floppy

> drive...

Please explain!

Owen

Thought for the day:

Leakproof seals... do.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 00:38:26 +0000

From: "CL"

Subject: Re: CF Memory for Psion 5mx

Aleck Cartwright,

I am presently using a 128MB CF Card on my Psion 5mx and so far I have no problem. I've not tried a higher CF as it is still expensive.

Clarence

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 00:44:36 +0000

From: "Kit Byatt"

Subject: Nokia 7650 - more good news!

Hello again!

Jorge Ramos wrote:

"I could also not get the N7650 software to work on Win2000 with IR eye, so for sending images (taken on N7650) and software (downloaded from Internet, uploaded to Psion, then beamed to N7650) & vice versa, i used plBeam (available from http://psion.psiloc.com) or Cbeam (same functionality but different GUI, for use with Cpen but works with N7650 also, available from http://www.cpen.com/)."

Since I posted, I have now got the IR connection between Nokia & W2K laptop working (involved enabling the IR in the BIOS settings on laptop power up, rebooting, installing the IR driver, setting up the IR port interrupts, & setting the IR port as com 3 port), so have managed to registeer my phone on my laptop, back it up, and transfer the images across. The IR port is enabled in fast (enhanced) mode, which I presume is why my 5mx won't speak to the laptop, and I don't have the stamina to reboot with IR enabled in the slower (i.e. old) mode just now. If I make progress, I'll report back...

That'll do for the Christmas present I was hoping for!

Season's greetings to all

Kit

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 00:53:47 +0000

From: "Euan Mee"

Subject: Re: MP3 encoding

On 17 Dec 2002 22:02:29 Owen Morgan wrote:

> My CD collection takes up way too much

> space so I'm considering buying an MP3 player

> ...can my P100 create MP3 files?

The software to do is easy enough:

The freeware app CDex, as both GUI and encoder, and swap in the freeware Blade encoder if you want hi(er)-fi encodings.

The good news - you can do it on the Tosh.

The bad news... I estimate it'll take ~25 mins /per track/ to encode on the P100 - at std mid-fi bitrates.

(I started on a similiar quest recently - I bought a Sony 'jog-proof' CD MP3 player for a long trip away, so started encoding my CD collection, on a K6-500, and later, a Duron 1000).

It's a compute intensive task, so it's directly clock-speed related...

Btw, I selected a particular Sony as it covered several issues: (lots of detail included in a direct reply...)

It plays CDs (useful if you buy new music - you don't need to

wait until it's encoded to listen to it)

It reads MP3s from CD -

so no HDD crashes (I don't know the likelihood, but they strike me as more fragile than CD readers)

I don't need a firewire/USB cable and a laptop to change it's 'jukebox' (the downside is, it's only got a 700MB capacity, but I

can swap to a new 700MBs (aka ~160-200 tracks) in the time it

takes to swap a CD)

Mind you, Hard-disc based players are now overcoming this issue too - they're avail. in 20GB and 30GB versions now, it's no longer just 4GB/6GB)

It takes std AA batteries, and it lasts 24hours in MP3 mode on 2

AA alkalines. (It does 32 hours on std CDs) (I actually use NiCad

and NiMH rechargables)

It's jog/-proof/ (it doesn't just keep re-reading the disc until there's a momentary lull in vibration to fill the memory buffer like all the

other makes (other than the new Panasonic which attempts to use

the case to insulate the reader from shocks)

It does shuffle play on either the disc, or the lowest level sub-folder.

It doesn't

do shuffle play on all tracks in all sub-folders of the current

folder. There are players, like the i-river which will

use playlists

Cheers,

Euathis).sf.(antispam.)net

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 01:45:34 +0000

From: "Euan Mee"

Subject: C++ SDK for ER5

I've just spent a /very/ frustrating time trying to download the ER5 C++ SDK.

(It's not quite now down a hidden staircase in a disused lavatory behind a sign saying 'Beware of the leopard' but /very/ close).

And when you eventually get to the end of the trail, it's not actually on-line. (in fact, none of the ER5 SDKs are now)

I originally started this, it was to save me searching my own

archive of my own downloads...

Pls contact me off-line if you can help me.

Please someone, contact me off-list if you can help

http://www.psionteklogix.com/partners/sdk.htm

Cheers,

Euathis).sf.(antispam.)net

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 07:09:06 +0000

From: Jorge Ramos

Subject: FW: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 128

On 17 Dec 2002 Owen H. Morgan Subject: MP3 files from CD. (OT) wrote: "The CD collection on my boat is starting to take up way too much space so I'm considering converting it all to MP3 and either buying a stereo with an MP3 CD player or a solid state MP3 player like the iPod."

Hi Owen,

Answering your question indirectly, have you considered a Sony netMD (minidisc) format? The bundled software copies CDs 32x realtime from PC or you can use analogue or digital cables from portable CD or hifi system to MD for realtime copying, and also allows compression ratios upto 4x on a 70-80 minute MD (ie. 4CDs to 1MD at a fraction of the size). Audio quality, even compressed, is better than MP3 IMHO. Tracks can be named and grouped - eg. given that you can compress more than one CD all tracks from one album can be grouped and played as a unit. There are all sorts of other programmable features also, such as personal memory for preferred playing order per disc. The MD recorder/player unit is highly portable so you won't need to invest in a separate stereo system as good portable speakers will suffice. Costs in South Africa are Rand5000 for the player/recorder (Eur50) and R30 (Eur3) for the recordable minidiscs, though i would expect that cost elsewhere to be cheaper.

Regards,

Jorge Ram

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 08:29:38 +0000

From: PRAR

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 128

At 23:27 18/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Darryl Kempster wrote:

> > Further to the announcement that Clove have the S5mx pro for sale > > I can confirm that these are indeed running an English OS! I spoke > > to POS who did the work and they have replaced the german

> > keyboard with an english one and obtained the flash os in

> > english from Psion.

>What is the advantage of the English S5mx PRO over a regular S5mx? >Are the applications updated?

>(Maybe with Opera, nFTP or a few other bits)

Could an MC218 ROM image be installed?

PRAR

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 08:52:39 +0000

From: "Rick Gillyon"

Subject: CDRW / MP3

> From: "Gary Y Reyes"

> Subject: 486 PC with CD-RW

> This might be a bit of a problem. You will probably get a

> lot of buffer underruns resulting in "toasters" or bad burns.

This shouldn't really happen. Modern CDRW drives have

buffer-underrun prevention, such as Safe-Burn, BurnProof

etc., which at least theoretically prevent coasters (not

toasters!). This means you can buy a 24x drive, burn

at 24x, and when the PC can't keep up the flow of information

to the burner the burner just suspends until the buffer is

full again. Works a treat.

Owen asked about MP3s. There are hundreds of ripping

programs out there, I use Musicmatch (http://www.musicmatch.com/)

which is $20 Shareware. Great software, but claims that

you need 300MHz. For something more basic but very accurate

for ripping (and free!) try http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

HTH,

Rick

http://www.gillyon.com/

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 10:09:21 +0000

From: Andrew Mumford

Subject: Synch to Sidekick 98

Hi All,

This is a question I have tried to get an answer to several times over the

years, and have all but given up - but maybe someone could help? I use

Sidekick 98 on my PC as my preferred PIM, and would dearly like to be able

to synch direct with a Psion. What I do now is a rather cumbersome process

of importing the Sidekick files into Outlook (losing the diary in the

process), and Synching to that. Does anyone have a better suggestion (apart

from giving up on

That's the main argument gone but it still leaves you with the oppotunity to 'easily' switch between differnt os. You can not only run a different language version but have e.g. epoc on one cf-card and linux on another one. Or just use Psion-hardware and completely switch to linux (blasphemy - I know). But probably it's all purely hypothetical for most...

Astrid

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 17:42:33 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: XJMail for Psion,

Answer to : peter.rand

Re. XJMail for Psion - Thanks for the message and advice. If you don't like the program and want to delete it again, will that be without problems or will that create problems ?

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 19:10:19 +0000

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: "E" drive usage, Psion mail folders, copying in netBook

Reply to Marcus von Cube:

Subject: 'E' drive usage

<I heve several PC cards that fit into the right netBook slot:

- Adaptors for CF card and SD/MMC. This is mainly for copying files. The netBook can handle the MMC from my Palm m130 and the CF cards from my Nikon digicam.>

Can you tell me where you obtained your MMC to PC card adaptor. I know Sandisk make one and I was wondering if I could obtain one locally.

Reply to Jan R Gustafsson:

Subject: Psion mail folders

<Some weeks ago Itamar posted a question concerning tidying up the Psion e-mail folder. I did not see any response on the digest and as I have the same problem, I take the liberty to repeat Itamars question.

The e-mail folder seems very complicated as all folders and files are numbers only. Most of the folders are empty or have only 1 file called UIDLS. Is it possible to delete these empty folders or is there any other way to do some cleaning up without erasing the folder structure and e-mails? All suggestions are welcome! The reason for asking is of course the very long time back-up takes when you have many folders and files (which I do).>

Due to the way the EPOC mail structure works it does seem quite complicated. Even if you have nothing at all in the Email program or you start it from scratch after a hard reset you'll find at least half a dozen different folders in there. This number increases as you store more and more mail. Personally I use the excellent SaveMail as this allows hundreds of emails to be stored in just one large Data file. Very space efficient and for backup purposes, one heck of a lot faster as you only have one file to backup every time you perform a backup operation. Oh, and your email is then searchable too!

Reply to Ian McGregor:

Subject. Copying in netBook

<I am using a netBook and have a question re agenda. I have all my birthdays etc. stored in anniversaries. How does o Philip,

I'm very sorry, Philip, but I'm starting to wonder whether you've actually read my previous messages. A number of the points you raise have already been addressed.

One of the fundamentals we're dealing with in this discussion is the Universal Copyright Convention which has been ratified by all nations on this globe. The terms and conditions described in the Convention are now part of national law, whatever country you live in. The legal position is therefore very much clearer than you think it is.

And I fail to understand why you mention "we are talking talking about rules rather than laws" because what are laws other than the official rules of a nation. Rules based on a moral consensus within the nation on what's right and what's wrong.

I also fail to understand why you write "You don't mention my rights..." while I clearly wrote in a previous message that the rights of the shareware author are balanced by the rights of the consumer. I've even mentioned two of them - that the author has the obligation to repair the bugs reported to him/her and the obligation to continue to supply assistance for a minimum statutory period after the application has been withdrawn from sale.

<< If I *can't* pay despite trying I might have a legal and/or moral right right to the software anyway >>

Have a good think about what you say and the message you're sending out.

One of the consequences is that the willingness to buy is sufficient to obtain what's not for sale. You can walk into the office of the director of Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, wave with a wad of money and leave the museum with a Rembrandt under your arm. That the Rembrandt is part of the Dutch national art treasure, thus not for sale, no longer matters. The intention to buy is sufficient to get it. The intention would also be sufficient for other people to obtain items you don't want to part with.

Another aspect is that 'taken out of production' or 'removed from sale' loses its meaning. A company would have the obligation to supply any item it has ever sold. You could therefore insist Ford supply you with a brand new Model T.

Finally, it places consumerism and the purchase of goods at a very high level on the importance scale. It effectively means that the urge to buy *has* to be satisfied. So that what might prevent the urge from being satisfied needs to be pushed aside or can safely be disregarded.

<< Payment for use of copyright material itself may not apply to shareware as it is, by it's nature, freely distributed and registration is a minor modification >>

Forget it Philip, forget it. Software is covered by copyright, giving the ation after the trial period has expired. You're not required to agree with these conditions of use. The consequence is that you then need to go for freeware and/or commercial software titles.

Using a cracked code to get the full functionality of a shareware application therefore goes against the conditions of use. The code doesn't come from the author (or the author's representative) and there's no payment. It's a breach of copyright punishable by law, in which the person who supplies the cracked code is an accomplice.

<< ... But suppose no heir can be found to exercise those rights. Then surely that software has been abandoned? >>

You, first, have to reckon with the period the person who's handling the affairs of the deceased has for finding possible heirs. The length of this period depends on the civil law of the country in question and can be a few years. Secondly, the position in many countries is that, when no heir can be found, the estate of the deceased goes to the nation.

<< And intellectual rights are surely the same here as physical rights? >>

Certainly not. Buy a book and you're the owner of the paper, ink, glue and whatever else the book is made of. You're not the owner of the text as that's the intellectual property of the book's author. Buy a CD and you're owner of the plastic and metal - not the owner of the rights to the composition, lyrics and performance. to turn a blind eye when people take what doesn't belong to them and have no right to. You're asking others to be moral cowards - asking them not to follow their convictions on what's right and what's wrong.

<< Above all, let's respect the wishes of as many as possible and try to avoid hurting anyone >>

Well ... when you don't want to make a moral choice when it concerns somebody else's property you can't expect others to act on their moral convictions and prevent people from taking your properties.

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 21:19:50 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: DigHandler

Dear Itamar,

<< I meant to say to make his name black in other peoples eyes, not to "blackmail" him ... >>

What you're effectively saying is that nobody should ever write negatively about an application on the Digest because this blackens the name of its author.

<< But you did not answer why you did not contact him ... >>

I've answered this question.

<< ... nor why if this program would be faulty, other programs of the same author would be faulty as well >>

I haven't answered this question because I've never said the application is faulty. Only that I think it's not in a state fit for general release. Which is not a confindence builder for the other applications.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 21:19:53 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: ReplyEveryMail

Dear Owen,

<< The complexity in setting up REM for the first time isn't as much a shortcoming of Rolf's programming abilities as a result of the incredible versatility of the application >>

I have no problem with complex applications. I have a problem with an application that has a long list of settings but doesn't explain what these settings are for.

<< If Rolf Brunsting had taken the trouble to look through the menus in REM, he would soon have come across the Hotkeys item where he is asked to set up the keystrokes the e-mail application on his particular EPOC device uses to save an e-mail as draft, reply to sender and reply to all >>

I've found the "Hotkeys" menu item and tried it out as well. However, the documentation doesn't contain a clear description of what the purpose of these hotkeys are. No clear description means the user has to guess. Well, one hour of guesswork was sufficient for me to put the application on the scrapheap. Nice idea - poor execution.

parking meter is broken, you park for free >>

Don't visit the Netherlands then. A public parking space with a broken meter is no longer a public parking space. Park you car there and you run the risk of having your car wheel clamped or even towed away - a costly business nowadays.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 21:20:03 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Ranting

Dear Alan,

<< But 90% of digest subscribers just want to read about useful Psion stuff not listen to you ranting... >>

Well ... a discussion on the final days of EPOC shareware is Psion related. Even though some important aspects have more to do with the law and the rights of the developer than with Psions.

I'm afraid you can't escape some subjects being discussed on the Digest to be of minor interest to you. I see Owen Morgan has posted a message concerning Psions and satellite receivers. Now, that's something I'm not interested in. However, I won't resent that the subject's discussed at length and in great detail.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 21:20:06 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: "Kind" answers from Rolf Brunsting to "Dear" digesters...

Dear Stephane,

<< We have, all of us I'm sure, realized to what extent your universal

knowledge goes... >>

Come on, Stephane, don't be silly. I'm sure there are a number of subjects you know much more about than I do. You may not have had the opportuity to use that knowledge here. However, when time comes, you'll leave me baffled by your "universal knowledge".

<< Do you think you could possibly try to lower yourself to our humble

(indeed) level and stop playing the "Teacher" ? >>

I won't deny that I can be strict and matter-of-fact because that's the person I am. You'd have to meddle with my psyche to get it out of me and turn me into a natural diplomat. But this doesn't imply that I'm out to belittle people. I use what I know when the opportunity arrises and remain silent on subjects I don't know (much) about. Don't aks me questions about spreadsheets, for example, because I only use 5% of their capabilities.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 21:20:10 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Morality & Shareware

Dear Itamar,

<< I just wondered, would anyone question today the taping of music on a tape recorder or the copying of films on videotape ? >>

Could it be that this is because you're allowed to do so? Copyright doesn't necessarily mean "Thou shalt make no copies!".

When you've bought a music CD you're allowed to copy it (to tape) for listening in the car, for example. Therplied in bulk to corporations. One of the companies I worked for bought them in packs of 250 for use in calculators, clocks and other battery powered gizmos. Trouble is that the Powercell brand is also used for old fashioned zinc-carbon type batteries. Looks that you've bought a set of those, hence their unexpected poor performance.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 19 Dec 2002 23:38:43 +0000

From: "Klaus Gottlieb"

Subject: Re: Allegro for Revo (handwriting recognition)

Hello Michael Przondzion

If you want to do "handwriting recognition on Revo" try:

Scribble2000

Handwriting recognition software for EPOC32 palmtops. Scribble2000 is a piece of handwriting recognition software, similar to GrafittiT on the Palm PDA's.

You can find it here:

http://w1.318.telia.com/~u31802901/nicbit/epoc/scribble.htm

It's freeware !

Please tell me what Allegro can do, that Scribble2000 cannot do !

from Klaus Gottlieb

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