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Epoc Digest Mon, 23 Dec 2002 Volume 01 : Number 131

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In today's Epoc Digest 16 messages:

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- 5mx Pro image, Clipboard

- Mail folder backup, Xmas IrDA to Network

- Re: Copyright Morality

- Where to find SanDisk MMC adapter

- service from Psion UK, Digihandler, Palmtop magazine,

- Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 130 : Netbook spares pricing

- Epoc Simulator

- RE Multiclip; RE Anniversaries; RE Tides

- Re: DigHandler

- W2K & 5mx: IR update

- Sharp Sharp

- HAVE A GOOD ONE

- Re: PC-Four...

- Re: Father Christmas-Proof at last ----->

- Re: Satellite tracking software.

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Date: 21 Dec 2002 10:56:26 +0000

From: Eric Lindsay

Subject: 5mx Pro image, Clipboard

>Epoc Digest Sun, 15 Dec 2002 Volume 01 : Number 126 >From: Darryl Kempster

>Subject: 5mx Pro

>I have emailed Clove to see if they have somehow managed to switch Os's (POS apparently refurbished the machines)

Psion used the 5mx Pro models to test builds of the various language

OS before they were burnt into ROMs. The builds were address specific (as are all the rom images) and as far as I know, only the German OS images were ever released. I had that tip from Clive Evans some time ago, in a newsgroup exchange.

>From: Itamar Engelsman

>Subject: Multiclip

>Some time ago we discussed programs to effect multiple copying of data instead of the standard "Copy" and "Paste" function. We only found the program "Cocopapa" or something like that that copies and pastes multiple texts in the same order only.

>Today I found on the website of Tucows the macro Multiclip, which allows you to copy multiple texts. When pasting it gives you a choice of the texts you copied to paste in the order you want to. It gives a total of 20 texts after which it will overwrite the oldest one, but you can also delete texts from the list yourself. Definitely worth a try.

Hmm, doesn't ExAb have multiple clipboards.

Also Palmanac Klip multiple clipboard

RMR AutoClip

IQText from RedFoot software

Eric Lind www.avalook.com

Airlie Beach, Nth Qld, Australia ph +61 7 4948 0450

http://www.ericlindsay.com NEW Airlie-SF-Psion-Epoc

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Date: 21 Dec 2002 11:17:56 +0000

From: Eric Lindsay

Subject: Mail folder backup, Xmas IrDA to Network

>Epoc Digest Tue, 17 Dec 2002 Volume 01 : Number 127

>From: Jan R Gustafsson

>Subject: Psion mail folders

>The e-mail folder seems very complicated as all folders and files are

numbers only. Most of the folders are empty or have only 1 file called

UIDLS. Is it possible to delete these empty folders or is there any other

way to do some cleaning up without erasing the folder structure and

e-mails? All suggestions are welcome! The reason for asking is of course

the very long time back-up takes when you have many folders and files

(which I do).

How about moving the entire email structure to a CF before

your backup, and moving it back in place afterwards?

>From: Itamar Engelsman

>Subject: X-mas

>With Christmas fast approaching, what Psion related present did you ask

for or plan to buy yourself or for others ?

Just bought a Compex Infrared Network Access Point, from Amazon in

the USA. I hope I can use it to get my 5mx or 7 onto my Ethernet

via their IrDA.

>From: Christopher Marwood

>Subject: 486 PC with CD-RW

>Would anyone be able to advise on the advisability or otherwise of trying

to install an LG CED-8080B CD writer in an old Dell 486? It was a 486-33

but I upgraded it to 486-100. It has a massive :-) 32Mb RAM. The LG has

been freed from my P3 by the purchase of a DVD+RW - a pretty good deal from

Dixons/PCWorld at UK£200 at the moment..

Should be fine. Just don't run anything else in background

while burning.

Eric Lind www.avalook.com

Airlie Beach, Nth Qld, Australia ph +61 7 4948 0450

http://www.ericlindsay.com NEW Airlie-SF-Psion-Epoc

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 10:07:14 +0000

From: "Euan Mee"

Subject: Re: Copyright Morality

On 22 Dec 2002, at 0:44, Philip Adkins Potter wrote: > the UK copyright laws were passed before electronic publishing > and computer programming. I expect the same applies elsewhere.

There was a new Patents Designs and Copyrights Act passed in the early nineties - the same act that allowed trademarking of things like sounds. (The Direct Line 'diddle-diddid-diddid-tid-deh' was the first to be trademarked).

I cannot remember what the specific changes to the law re. copyright of compiled computer code were but the act was in part passed specifically to address electronic publishing and computer programming.

Cheers,

Euathis).sf.(antispam.)net

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:51:47 +0000

From: "Marcus von Cube"

Subject: Where to find SanDisk MMC adapter

Kevin,

IIRC, I bought it via mail order from Misco, Germany (www.misco.de). But I saw one in a shopping center, too.

Marcus

http://www.mvcsys.de

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:54:45 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: service from Psion UK, Digihandler, Palmtop magazine,

Answer to : Alan Chambers

Re. service from Psion UK - Just a pitty this good service comes too late .... . As to a second 5MX, eBay seems to be a good place, or go for the 5MXPro at Clove, more expensive but probably with better guarantees.

Answer : Jaan Sass

Re. Digihandler - If you could not make it work, why did you not ask the author for assistance ? It is Rolf Vonau who also wrote the program we use to run this digest from a Psion only. You can reach him

Answer : Will Green

Re. Palmtop magazine - The usefullness of this magazine to EPOC users has indeed become minimal, the main contents for EPOC users is now v.6 for the Nokia machines. But what can you say ? No magazine can continue to exist writing exclusively about a dead platform, they had to do something. We have now crystalled this digest to abt. 710 subscribers, but sooner or later this will go down again when more of us will be forced to look elsewhere. It is unavoidable I suppose.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:59:37 +0000

From: "Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016.3614]"

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 130 : Netbook spares pricing

Op de 20 Dec 2002 13:39:37 +0000 schreef :

Itamar Engelsman <itamarxATxpost dot com> betreffende :GPS, German supplier, DigHandler, >>At Clove a spare battery for the S7/nB costs Gbp 96.-, in Germany Euro 79.- or about Gbp 50.-. Someone is making a huge profit in the UK .... (www.pulster.de, shipping costs to UK Euro 15.-).

Yes , they follow that old trick ( albeit not as egregious as some other

manufacturers/resellers ) ,selling the device cheaply ( i.e well below RRP

f.ex NetPad for GBP 869.50 incl VAT ) and rake in the profits on

accesories ,spares and repairs

Re Garmin GPS

On one of the palm BBS'es I read that Garmin will release a PalmOS 5-BASED

unit with a 480 by 320 display next year

This means you can have and run Routeplanner on the GPS itself !

Re : Successor of Communicator 92** series

There were rumors last November about a new Communicator product from

Nokia that should offer GPRS and Bluetooth on top of the already existing

functionality

Well is was just that : Rumours , the sad reality is that the successor

will be the 6800 series and that the functionality will in the future

reside on the network rather than in the device ( so the

operators/software vendors can charge monthly/per use charges )

The 9210/9290 will be the last Symbian device with a full keyboard , the

upcoming 3650 and Ericsson's P800 are the last devices capable of running

native Symbian applications , from there it will be J2ME and .Net that

will be the default interfaces

Expect a further dumbing down of the UI , with an on-screen keyboard and a

joystick and Yes/No keys as the only means for interaction

The only way we will see Bluetooth and/or GPRS on the Communicator is

through third-party expansion modules , much in the same way as GPS now

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 15:34:00 +0000

From: ALYG

(Andrew Longdon)

Subject: Epoc Simulator

I thought I'd try my hand at OPL programming, but the screen on my 5mx makes it a bit tiring after a while. Is there (still) an Epoc simulator for the PC available (preferably as a free download)?

Thanx...

,\ndy

Merry Xmas & Happy New Year!

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 17:27:23 +0000

From: J.

Subject: RE Multiclip; RE Anniversaries; RE Tides

To: Max Ozinsky Subjects: Multiclip, Anniversaries & Tides

1- subject: Multiclip

>......... file Multiclip.mbm which must be installed on the same drive as the macros, but in a directory below called Multiclipf. This is simply solved by creating the directory and copying the file there<

"Multiclip" (without "f" ) and it looks sufficient to indicate the Macros folder when the macro"install" asks for the Multiclip.mbm path

2- subject: Anniversaries

>I use Hol5 ............. if anyone wants a copy of my text file which includes South African public holidays, various religious holidays, etc please let me know<

RE :I do; thanks

2- subject: Tide calculator

>does anybody know of a freeware program for ER5 which can calculate tides?<

I use & like : Ocean v4 ; Tide98; Calcmar; and some other nice piece of "sailingsoft" to be found at :

http://p.pellot.free.fr/logfr.htm

Jack ._,.-*'`\._,.-*'` * MerrY XMas to aLL * `'*-.,_./`'*-.,_.

All my outgoing messages being sent by a Psion machine are thus virus-free guaranteed and need *not* to be checked by any anti-virus/worm/bacteria.

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 21:51:32 +0000

From: Rolf Vonau

Subject: Re: DigHandler

Reference is made to the mail in the EPOC DIGEST V1 # 130 :

Jaan Sass wrote at 21.12 2002 (> ):

Hi Jaan,

> I do have a question about digihandler I was

> unable to get it to work and was wondering if

> anyone knows if there is another digest handler,

> possibly even a macro that I could use with magic

> keys.

I'm the developer of the DigHandler. Please tell me, at which machine (and language) you tried to install the program and what error messages you got. The DigHandler works at many different English and German machines and I think together we can talk the program into working.

Best Regards

Rolf

Munich

http://home.arcor.de/rhvonau/index.htm

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 22:31:51 +0000

From: c.byatt

Subject: W2K & 5mx: IR update

Frustrating news this time!

Tried changing the BIOS settings (on laptop power up) to "slow IR connection". Good news - 7650 still speaks to the laptop; bad news - Psion doesn't (even thought the IR icon in the systray shows connection and the message "Symbian EPOC is in range" comes up if you hover the mouse over the sytray icon when the 5mx IR connection is on and adjacent.

Bother!

Still, look on the bright side: at least I don't have to keep swapping the BIOS settings and reboot depending on what Symbian device I'm trying to connect...

Season's greetings, &

Bye for now

Kit (still happy with 7650!)

Hereford , UK

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Date: 23 Dec 2002 15:15:23 +0000

From: Keith Giles

Subject: Sharp Sharp

Take a look at this:

http://www.nvmax.com/cgi-bin/community.pl?num=1040534208

especially the keyboard photo about half way down the page. I looked it up at www.dynamism.com, $699 - a bit steep.

But maybe the clamshell is on its way back.

Happy Cycling,

Keith

Sunnyvale, CA

http://home.attbi.com/~ohsix827/

Thought For The Day: An object will always fall to do the most damage.

All my outgoing e-mails have been checked by Norton Anti-virus.

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Date: 23 Dec 2002 16:16:18 +0000

From: Peter Keene

Subject: HAVE A GOOD ONE

Hi Guys,

All the best for the festive season and the New Year.

How about a New Year's resolution for the 600+ lurkers - at least six postings before next December. It doesn't have to be anything clever. Maybe how you use your EPOC machine (or how it uses you!). Or even just "Hi - I'm out there, this is where I live". Don't worry about somebody taking you to task, its mainly just in fun.

I think most of the regulars started out very tentatively and many of us are still learning about these wonderful machines. Help us.

Regards,

Peter

Cape Town RSA (where Santa wears shorts and flip-flops)

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 10:07:14 +0000

From: "Euan Mee"

Subject: Re: PC-Four...

On 22 Dec 2002, Trygve Henriksen wrote: > PC-Four was a PC based productivity suite Psion launched in 1986... > It consists of:

> PC-Quill (Word processor)

> PC-Archive (Database)

> PC-Abacus (Spreadsheet)

> PC-Easel (And GEM-EASEL, a Business graphics program)

> These four programs have a very similar interface, a macro language and > looks like they did the job... (PC-Archive also have a Basic like

> programming language and a creen designer. Somewhat like DataEase )

Quill, Archive and Abacus were of course ports of the Psion

software bundled with the Sinclair QL.

Cheers,

Euathis).sf.(antispam.)net

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Date: 22 Dec 2002 15:34:00 +0000

From: ALYG

(Andrew Longdon)

Subject: Re: Father Christmas-Proof at last ----->

> Looking at the Star Chart view in David Rushall's excellent Solun > software (www.freepoc.org) this morning on my netBook, I was amazed to > see Father Christmas and his Reindeer flying through the night sky in > the bottom right hand corner!

Which version of Solun are you using, Will? I don't see Father Xmas anywhere on my 5mx - could you please tell me the time and Alt/Az settings he appeared at...?val at a camp site - the GPS would be in use while driving.

My program requires, as input, your Lat/Long and Magnetic Variation; plus the Longitude of Satellite.

I used an Isogonal map of Europe to input the Mag Var, but would have liked to have found a data set to incorporate in the program. My internet searches have not found such data. With the program handling Mag Var, folk like me (who are not yachtsmen) don't have to remember if to add or subtract it!

There will be a table of satellites in a later version selectable via <Tab> to give the Longitude of Satellites.

<<< Has anyone been able to access the GPS engine that comes with Palmtop/TomTom software? >>>

<< I would assume it simply outputs standard NMEA so any navigation software should be able to read it. Try connecting it and opening Comms at 4800 baud 81N with either no handshaking or only Xon Xoff. You should see the NMEA messages scrolling across the screen. >>

A misunderstanding Owen. I was refering to the 'Positioning System' used by Palmtop RP & SP. In the older versions of these apps, one had to switch off the GPS (serial port access) in one before changing to the other and then switching on the GPS, as only one app can use the 'Remote link'.

The later versions can both access the NMEA data from the GPS without the switching off and on problem. I would expect that their GPS Engine (which uses the Psion's serial port as input) puts the NMEA data at specific memory addresses while running in the backbground. Both apps then read the memory addresses when in the foreground.

Does anyone know what is actually happening here?

If we knew this then a 'SatFinder' app could use this as input, without having to switch off Palmtop's use of the serial port, before accessing the serial port.

<< I've never understood the idea of paying more money for a dedicated GPS when a normal handheld is cheaper, will do everthing the dedicated one does and can also be used on its own with internal batteries or external power. I'd never buy a fixed mount GPS for the boat either. If I loose all electric power at sea (which has happened to me on two occasions), my handheld Garmin 48 simply switches from external power to its internal batteries and keeps going. >>

Agreed, just like my old Garmin 75 and newer eMap.

Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion 7 & Nokia 6210e

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