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Epoc Digest Tue, 13 May 2003 Volume 01 : Number 249

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In today's Epoc Digest 16 messages:

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- Nokia 9210i Calendar, nConvert uninstall

- Re: Psion deletes crashing msg (4 Owen)

- Re: Accented characters on the Mako / Revo

- Clamshell alternatives to dear old Psion 5

- Usage of Epoc machine

- Psion cable with supply voltage

- Re: Psion 5 - answer to Ian Dean

- Data Costs

- MNetBooks again

- RE Tube (4 Itamar)

- non-English Language dictionaries

- Usage of EPOC machine/Switching off

- Re: netBook Wallpaper in Clock 5

- Re: Data Cost

- Data Costs

- Re: tube route and mobile phones with data in Shetlands and email crashes

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Date: 12 May 2003 23:42:47 +0100

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: Nokia 9210i Calendar, nConvert uninstall

Reply to Edward Choi:

Subject: Nokia 9210i Calendar

Just close the Calendar app by doing a system reset (use Taskman or just take out the battery), go into File Manager and cut the file you want to relocate, pasting it back onto the memory card. Whilst we're on the subject of the 9210 Calendar app, does anyone know if it's possible to keep 2 Calendar files open at the same time? You can't just cycle between 2 open files by pressing the Calendar button as you can on the Psion Agenda (if you do this on the 9210, it just cycles between the various views in just the one open file).

Reply to Owen H. Morgan:

Subject: Uninstalling nConvert

A dog's dinner indeed! I remember installing nConvert a long time ago and being amazed at how many times a dialog box came up - "do you want to install component A", B, C, D....etc etc. I don't know why they couldn't just have one entry in the Add/Remove list instead of about 20. If I ever wanted to un-install it now I wouldn't know which components to remove from the list. What a mess (but a brilliant app though!)

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 13 May 2003 00:41:40 +0100

From: Jack

Subject: Re: Psion deletes crashing msg (4 Owen)

To: Owen Subject: Re: Email produces a crash

>>>....had to resort to a web based reader or a desperate e-mail to a friend with web access to remove the offending item before I could get my e-mails with the Psion....<<<<<

A Psion with a er5Telnet client (Jtelnet1.1, freew. or Flyterm2.31, sharew.) is merrily enough for cleaning the mailbox from any roguish msg

Telnet your pop.server.com

User " "

Pass " "

List

DELE "msg#"

& back in business U'r.

Jack

Messaging with Epoc Email liberates from (anti)viruses, worms, horses...and even rogue msg

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Date: 13 May 2003 06:46:04 +0100

From: Keith Giles

Subject: Re: Accented characters on the Mako / Revo

Owen Morgan wrote:

> the five keys z, x, c, v, b on the left bottom row of my Mako > keyboard can be used with the Fn key to type accented characters

Unfortunately it's not mentioned in the owner's manual (nor for the 5ive and 5mx either), but it does show up in the Mako/Revo help file. At one time I actually looked at the Help file. :-)

> special Norwegian characters though (æøå, ÆØÅ)

You might try Twinkey

http://www.prosoft.force9.co.uk/series5/index.html

You can set up your own hotkeys for those characters - maybe something like a+o will give å, A+e = Æ, etc. So it would be easier to remember.

Happy Cycling,

Keith

Sunnyvale, CA

http://home.attbi.com/~ohsix827/

Thought For The Day: If you're too open-minded, your brains will fall out.

All my outgoing e-mails have been checked by Norton Anti-virus.

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Date: 13 May 2003 07:32:06 +0100

From: Nick Malone

Subject: Clamshell alternatives to dear old Psion 5

Hi All

Its a long, long time since I contributed (or read :-O) this digest. The reason is that my Psion 5 was passed onto my girlfriend last year when I bought a Jornada 720 off eBay (GBP 360.00 inc case, spare stylus, 2GB PC Card HDD, Ethernet card, 128MB CF - a great deal as the Jornada alone is still selling for GBP600 or more in the shops) Ian Dean asked for recommended alternatives to the old 5 series, well this is mine. Plus points...

Its colour (640 x 240 half VGA)

Has stereo headphone jack (sounds good playing MP3's on built-in Media Player)

206MHz processor (nippier than the S5)

CF slot AND PC Card slot - I can use it for presentations with my Colorgraphic VGA-out card - another eBay bargain :-)

72% full size keyboard - even better than S5's

Better Office conversion than S5 (the Jornada itself converts files - no need for a PC)

Excellent Word Processor available from www.softmaker.de - all singing all dancing and can open & save in MS Word format.

Built in 56k modem

Decent rechargeable battery (6 hrs + continuous MP3 playing)

Can play mpeg movies/TV programs recorded with PC Tuner card using 3rd party "Pocket TV" software

Many applications available (and PocketQuake runs at a decent speed unlike on Psion :-))

There are altenatives to PhoneMan (e.g. mPhone)

Cons:

A little heavier and larger than S5 but smaller and lighter than S7.

Price (if you buy it new)

Apps are a little to a lot more expensive compared to Psion 5 and less free stuff (c. £15-£40)

Lack of interest from M$ in developing its Handheld PC operating system (nothing new since 2000). Though with HP bringing the Jornada 720 out last year and NEC launching the MobilePro 900 (possibly better buy if you have $900 and want a HPC almost as big as a laptop).

http://www.necsolutions-am.com/mobilesolutions/products/MobilePro/900/specs. htm), maybe M$ will twig that there is still interest out there in clamshell designs.

No connectivity with Apple Mac OS X (but then neither have Psions)

If you have a lot to splurge consider a Fujitsu Life book 1000 or 2000 series about the same size class as a S7 but runs Windows XP and has a touch sensitive screen and 2000 series has a built in CD-ROM drive (about $1000 though - try eBay?).

I was a devoted S5 user (for work and life generally)but after a great deal of looking around beforehand I have not regretted switching to the J720. Saying that, after years of PC use we've just bought a Apple PowerBook - maybe I am fickle after all :-/

Hope this helped

Nick

University of Liverpool

PS S7's were going for about £330 at Foxpop.co.uk recently

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Date: 13 May 2003 07:35:00 +0100

From: Ian Chapple

Subject: Usage of Epoc machine

Itamar,

>> I have a new question for you all. Who uses his EPOC machine exclusively as their man computer without other computer equipment besides it ? And what do you use it for and which programs ? <<

I am not using my David Lowe netbook (my 2nd one, he replaced the first one due to the screen and case-switch problems) exclusively, but I have just started to use it to update my homepage. I tried using nFTP, which comes as part of the OS, to access my ISP's webserver, but was unable to see the list of files, despite being logged on correctly according to the log. I downloaded and tried RMRftp, and was able to both see the files as well as up- and download files. Does anyone have experience of using nFTP in this way, and if so, why does it not work the same way as RMRftp in my case?

Cheers, Ian.

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Date: 13 May 2003 07:35:23 +0100

From: U Hornstein

Subject: Psion cable with supply voltage

Owen wrote:

PS. I've asked before, but didn't get a reply. Does anyone know where I could buy just a cable like the one that comes with the POD docking station? I asked POD a couple of years ago, but they replied that the cable was the most expensive part of the assembly and they weren't interested in selling it as a seperate item.

Owen,

a long time ago I ordered one such a custom made cable from Chris Archer. It works until today with almost workdaily use. But I do not know if he still makes them. I bought it via www.psionleads.freeserve.co.uk

Eventually you can make your own; he is still selling an unterminated cable. But check first if this includes the Vcc pin, I think it was pin 1 on the Honda plug.

All the best.

With greetings from Germany

Ulrich Hornstein

sent by MC218 (EPOC palmtop)

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Date: 13 May 2003 07:47:20 +0100

From: Ian Dean

Subject: Re: Psion 5 - answer to Ian Dean

Itamar

Thanks for response. I thought that 5MX would suffer same problems as Psion 5 - do you find that they hold together better?

Ian

<<<Re. Psion 5... - The replacement of a S5 is ... an S5(MX) <BG>. But seriously, if you don't carry it with you in a pocket or on your belt daily and can either fit it in a briefcase or hold it in your hand, try the S7 (second hand) or the netBook. With the colour screen and better speed and expandable memory and CF cards it is a true alternative. There are today several full fledged PC's the size of an A3 paper, amazing machines really, but expensive and also not pocketable. Next best, one of the other Palmtops with a foldable keyboard ? I am not sure.

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK>>>

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Date: 13 May 2003 08:27:32 +0100

From: Mike McConnell

Subject: Data Costs

To: Andy Hayes

<<<So what I need to know is which UK providers include data calls in the inclusive minutes on contract agreements? Also I am correct in thinking that it is only TMobile and Virgin that issue data enabled payg phones in the UK. (Sorry Mike, you must have answered this one a 1,000 times by

now!). Note my comment regarding Orange in the previous paragraph.>>>

My One2One (as it then was) p-a-y-g SIM was data, but not fax, enabled by default and my Virgin SIM was both data and fax enabled by default. My original One2One SIM is now in a Siemens S35i and still works fine under T-Mobile for Data.

As far as I know Orange p-a-y-g doesn't allow data/fax calls and I don't get data calls included in my Orange free minutes. Can't give you any details for O2 or Vodafone as I've never used either.

Regards,

Mike [Dundee, Scotland] __________________________________________

Mobile Phone & SMS: +44 (0)7870 236984

Mobile Fax: +44 (0)7977 156138

Web: http://www.mikemcc.org.uk __________________________________________

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Date: 13 May 2003 09:29:25 +0100

From: Peter McCafferty

Subject: MNetBooks again

Morning All,

Now that even more Malaysian NBs are available, I am thinking very seriously about purchasing one. Prior to this I need a few simple questions answered by your good selves.

1. Is it possible to directly synch/update info such as contacts and agenda from a 5mx to the NB, without passing through a desktop? I use a RiscOS desktop so cannot use PsiWin.

2. If synching is problematic, can each machine read from the other's CF card? (I think I'm right in assuming that the NB needs its CF card permanently loaded for OS reasons...?!).

3. Are there any serious problems with the Malaysian models?

4. Does anyone use their NBs for CAD work? How do you find it?

5. What software is bundled with the MNB?

Many thanks.

regards

Peter

Peter McCafferty, Peter Julian & Associates, Architects

6-8 Tiverton Street, London, SE1 6NZ, UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 20 72 34 01 12

Fax: +44 (0) 87 00 55 78 12

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Date: 13 May 2003 09:45:52 +0100

From: Jack

Subject: RE Tube (4 Itamar)

To Itamar Re.: "TubeRoute" - What is TubeRoute ?

TubeRoute OPL(GPL license)

was duly announced in comp.sys.psion.apps (Google) as downloadable at :

http://www.chris.s.handley.btinternet.co.uk/TubeRoute_230303.zip

(NB 4 Martin : its app version tuberoute.aif is already nicely colo(u)ris(z)ed)

v1 come also as a TubeRoute.opo file, working with its TubeRoute_London (template for any other city rail-bus network database)

One can add a map but that's nor so useful neither easy (nConvert and/or MBMview needed) .

Original London tube information databases "Tube" (Sibo and Epoc) fare still available at (former Pocketinfo) :

http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/pocketinfo/travel_uk.html

There are at least 3 S3 programs for the London Underground!

One is (since 1997) Subwaywhich originated the concept ie dealing whith any city "subway" .DAT (London Paris HK Tokyo Washinton... being already included in v1.1c)

Any transports fans around here, may have a look at this amazing site :

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/

HTH

Jack

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Date: 13 May 2003 10:25:11 +0100

From: miguelito

Subject: non-English Language dictionaries

Gary Jenkinson wrote:

Despite searching previous Digests I can't find the entry where a fellow subscriber offered to send/direct anyone interested in getting foreign dictionaries installed on their Psions. If this is still available please could you let me know? (and where I would need to install them on my netBook please!)

Gary,

I've been struggling with the same problem and found the English, German and French dictionaries on www.janell.de/workshop.htm. (halfway down the page, links after Download: called Englische Rechtschreibung etc. Install them on \system\data on any drive. I am also using a very good freeware program to switch between dictionaries called SpellX, see: website.leidenuniv.nl/~linthorsthjm/exabetal/.

I am still missing the Spanish dictionary, if anyone can point me the right way, I'd be grateful.

Miguel

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Date: 13 May 2003 10:49:49 +0100

From: Phil

Subject: Usage of EPOC machine/Switching off

Hi folks,

Usage of EPOC machine.

A friend gave me an old Mac but before that I only used my 5mx. Now I use the Mac for cruising the web and (slowly) preparing my website (but it will be tested on the 5mx).

But I still use the 5mx for just about everything else; eMail, Diary, Reading, Newbury, Shopping Lists, Alarm Clock, Writing, Programming, Calculating, Accounts and even Games. And sometimes for cruising the web too!

But there is no SETI screensaver for the Psion so that only runs on the Mac (it's the SETI part that matters, not the screensaver - not much needs a screensaver these days).

Switching off.

I've just written my first ER5 macro so I'm rather pleased! Here it is:-

REM Phil's first macro : • )

PROC Macro:

OFF

ENDP

It's not as silly as it seems - and I *only* use it with Pascal Nicolas' CronTab - and it works for me. I seriously doubt it's originality!

I live alone in a small flat and am a bit disabled. All it does is turn the Psion off (at 22.30 for me - I use centigrade time) so that there is nothing to distract me at night. Since part of my disability is an unreliable memory my Psion helps a lot and this simple (and perhaps silly) macro means my Psion turns itself off when it's on transformer power. I don't need to remember to.

The only reason for this post is that I haven't yet found another utility as simple to do this. But the OPL "OFF" command should only ever be used with caution and never in a loop - misuse can mean that the Psion will have to be reset. This is made clear in the manuals. The "OFF" command in a loop can (all too easily) mean that the Psion will switch itself off as soon as it is switched on, before the program/macro can be stopped. A simple macro/program like the above is OK but please be careful.

As it stands this macro/program is pointless - it's only value is with CronTab. I do know of the many utilities that will do this but I have CronTab running for other things and this macro/program translated is 89 bytes - small.

I tried using Sergio's "NightClock" but it apparently led to the Psion thinking it was connected to the I'Net when it wasn't. I don't know why but I don't need such a complex program anyway. I do know that Sergio has written some very fine macros and programs (I use SaveMail daily) and I rather suspect the problem was with my setup.

I have told Sergio though.

Happy days,

Phil.

"The English have an extraordinary ability

for flying into a great calm."

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Date: 13 May 2003 11:57:25 +0100

From: martin

Subject: Re: netBook Wallpaper in Clock 5

Reply to: Gary Jenkinson

>>>>

Also, could someone tell me how I can get the netBook wallpaper image back onto my system? For some reason this image has become corrupted when I choose it to run as a logo (screensaver image) within Clock 5. When I choose EPOC, all I get is as a elongated bar with grey colour graduated boxes within it, and when I choose Psion I get what looks like a small pair of binoculars dashing around the screen! Surprise, surprise the only one which seems to work is the Clock 5 logo!

<<<<

Ahem. Mea Culpa. No, there's nothing wrong with the netBook wallpaper image on your machine. It's a bug in Clock5 which only shows on netBooks and - until I got one myself earlier this year - I was never able to track it down.

I fixed it on the code on my machine but just haven't gotten around to publishing Clock5 v1.88 (i.e. this bug fix). Perhaps I should! ;-) I'll send you the code patch off-digest anyway - sorry for the hassle.

Best regards,

Martin Guthrie

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www.pscience5.net

www.freepoc.org

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Date: 13 May 2003 12:25:28 +0100

From: Simon Jeffree

Subject: Re: Data Cost

I've just thought. If anyone knows any other UK ISPs, other than Virgin.net, which have STD access numbers (i.e. 01*) rather than non-geographical numbers (087*) I (& I'm sure many others) would very keen to know.

Cheers,

Simon Jeffree

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Date: 13 May 2003 12:25:49 +0100

From: Simon Jeffree

Subject: Data Costs

To: Andy Hayes

Subject: Data Costs

<< T-Mobile includes 200 minutes any time, but this doesn't include data calls. I think that my TMobile payg data calls are being charged at 30p per min, eek! >>

I don't think you get charged differently for a data call, it's more a question of the number that you're calling, i.e. your ISPs access number.

Most ISPs have access numbers that begin with 08 (e.g. 0870...). T-Mobile (& probably others) do not include these numbers in their 'free minutes' allowance, so you're charged at the going rate for each & every call.

However, Virgin.net have an STD access number (01483-881766) which *IS* included in T-Mobile's 'free minutes' allowance. You can sign up online by going to http://autoreg.virgin.net/online/register & clicking the PAYG button to signup for their Pay As You Go package. At the end you can print out a sheet with all the config information you need to to configure your dialup/email/browser settings appropriately (Substitute the STD access number above). This will also avoid having your Internet Explorer messed up (sorry, I mean 'branded') by them.

<< Orange doesn't seem to include data on payg, although I am sure that someone proved this wrong in the past. >>

I think (but could be wrong) ordinary GSM data calls (as opposed to HSCSD) are supported on PAYG by all operators. Note however, that Orange have recently discontinued their ISP service (but not their email service with the very useful *free* SMS email alerts) so you'll have to use a different ISP, such as Virgin.net mentioned above.

<< I am loathe to have a BT line due to the lack of competition in the local loop. >>

I don't know about Shetland but generally speaking, a BT landline will always be cheaper than a mobile, with or without competition at the local loop.

Hope this helps

Simon Jeffree, UK

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Date: 13 May 2003 16:15:32 +0100

From: Mark Deppe

Subject: Re: tube route and mobile phones with data in Shetlands and email crashes

Itamar Engelsman Wrote: <<<<What is TubeRoute ? >>>

It is a most excellent tube app (free as well) by Chris handley see psionplace.com for posts on it as well. get it here

http://www.chris.s.handley.btinternet.co.uk you will need to download the colour map he recomends if you want all the mapoverlays and etc. which are well worth it for the pretty graphics and search facility.

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<<<One specific Email produces a crash>>> I have this also, usually a 5K spam from a casino, no idea what causes it but as soon as I open my email on the web based account and delete it all is well. Strangely I have had this happen and sometimes I open my email account ion the web and with it open go to email and suddenly I am able to access my mail OK without deleting anything.

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Andy Hayes Wrote <<<So what I need to know is which UK providers include data calls in the inclusive minutes on contract agreements? >>> My vodaphone allows data calls in free minutes, the trouble is finding a non 08345XXXXX or 0870XXXX ISP dial up as they are charged and not in inclusive minutes. I use claranet which has a 020 number which is included in my free minutes (anyone know of other free ISP who offer a non 08XXXX number - I doubt it as I think that is where all there revenue comes from). Alternativly Use GPRS. I think O2 and orange have deals where 0845 numbers are included in the free minutes though.. I know I ask the obvious but just in case, I trust you have checked that your mobile operator of choice has a good signal at the new place you will be living (no offence meant :)