Epocdigest V1 # 274

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tips for Posting to the Digest and how to unsubscribe

at the end of the Digest

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Epoc Digest Sat, 07 Jun 2003 Volume 01 : Number 274

************************************************************************

Sent to: 787 subscribers

In today's Epoc Digest 12 messages:

==============================

- Re: Opera & Web

- Re: GPRS and WAP browser # 270 (6)

- 9210i

- Little Sense

- ER5 email 0, ER6 email 1/Whole digests

- Re: Re: Siemens S45 and Nokia 6610

- Re: Interesting gadget.

- Re: Spam

- Re: Wi-Fi, 9210

- IR on the EPOC Emulator?

- How to collect Spam.

- Gprs success with Nokia 6610

*++++++++++&

Date: 6 Jun 2003 16:05:33 +0000

From: Astrid Stappenbeck

Subject: Re: Opera & Web

Itamar wrote:

>Two advantages of Web above Opera. The first one is that when you download with Web you get a nice %-bar showing how far advanced the download is, with Opera you do not and have to wait "in the darkness" until the download has been completed.

The second one is that Opera (v 3.62) cannot open a

second window while Web can, although of course on top of the first one.<

Opera 3.62 was admittedly a bit of a nuisance in this department - with the emphasis of was! Opera 5.14 opens a second window where it displays the download status in %, bites and speed and has further options. And it has learned to open a second window.

On the other hand: with web I never managed to download a sis-file (maybe I did something wrong - all I get is a display of the code). Then there is the security issue where web has none.

I still prefer web because it's so lean and Opera needs such a lot of memory. Web's bookmark handling and editing is also much nicer (although I hardly use it nowadays i.e. since I came across the macro WebMail). But some pages dislike web and others don't want to be accessed by Opera - so for me it's not an 'either/ or' but definitely a BOTH.

If someone knows how to download sis-files with web, please post.

Bye,

Astrid

*++++++++++&

Date: 6 Jun 2003 17:29:41 +0000

From: Mark Deppe

Subject: Re: GPRS and WAP browser # 270 (6)

Malcolm J. Demanuele <<<Yes, there is a work around - You leave that string blank, and enter the APN on the phone.>>>

OK I will try it, I have entered wap.vodaphone.co.uk on the phone in the past which is standard setting in GPRS access point, are you saying enter at+cgdcont=,"ip","wap.vodaphone.co.uk " instead? and then in the internet settings and password user as is also used on the phone or is it best to leave one set either on the phone or the psion blank

Thanks for your patience and perseverance

Kind regards

Mark

PS Are people here aware of the new psionplace netbook pro petition

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=19317

and

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18259

*++++++++++&

Date: 6 Jun 2003 18:33:32 +0000

From: "Ashley Burrows"

Subject: 9210i

Kevin Thorne asked

> Aha, good - more 9210 content on the Digest! You sound very happy = with your 9210i,=20

you've probably upgraded from the "plain vanilla" 9210 - i.e. the "i" = model you now own boasts some noticeable improvements. I've heard the = "i", although having the same hardware specification of 8Mb of RAM as = the older model (which I own), is more efficient at using it. Judging = by what you are saying above, this appears to be the case. Much as I = like my 9210, the one thing that drives me nuts is its limited = allocation of RAM and those constant "out of memory" messages. So is = the "i" you now own really that much better at managing RAM? Regarding = the "two bottles in the shower" I find the one box solution extremely = convenient too and wouldn't really want to go back to a 5mx/8210 <

Yes the ( i ) really does make a difference. I have had it about 2 weeks = and have yet to have "out of memory" warning. The web browser is all I could ever expect from a mobile device, = rendering is twice as quick. ( I can whilst in the field log on to a = technical website download a PDF document and the read it on my = communicator. thus resolving the problem there and then.)

A friend has just got a P800 and we compared email downloading side by = side on Saturday. its not even in the same street, as the Nokia I wrote and sent him a 100 word mail, about 1 minute before he had = written his to me.=20

Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN=20

Asked

>I am seriously considering the Nokia 9210i. Best offer is to my knowing

757 euros with a free one year subscription to the Dutch KPN Telecom = network (without it the phone is more expensive). Has anyone come = across better deals? I have three serious doubts and perhaps one of the happy 9210i users = could discuss this:<

>1. The 9210i is a *huge* phone, so it seems to me. The 7110 is quite = big, but it fits in my trouser pocket. However, I think that with the = 9210i this is out of the question. True, my 5mx cannot fit in my pocket, = but I do not need it permanently and I do need a mobile phone = permanently. Can someone compare it with the 7110? How do you use/transport your = Commie?<

I personally have two cases 1 that sits on my belt and keeps the = Communicator horizontal it has two pockets and a flap, that allows for = carrying many extras, I also have a slip case that I use when phone is = being carried anywhere else.

>2. The 9210i does not have Bluetooth nor GPRS. Furthermore the RAM is = better than on the 9210, but still not very good. I would nearly say: = the 9210i is an old piece of kit. Is there any news on its followers-up? = <

Now of no plans to upgrade this model, would suggest that this is the = last clamshell we are likely to see. The i does make a huge difference in memory and speed. see above = message.

>3. The use of the 9210i would mean the end of the use of the 5mx, = including the dedicated software that I use on it. I do not think that = both can be used on a daily basis, given the mess of two agendas and = contacts databases (yes, I know, synchronisation...). Can the 9210i = seriously be used as the one-and-only PDA?<

I use the 9210i daily as my only tool for Mail, Word (for report = writing) SMS (no need for phoneman) Web,

PDF viewer, Agenda, Contacts, Games, Sheet, Fax,

>Does anyone know if there is a periodic (chemical) system available for

the 9210i, such as Chemtools?=20

Is there a literature database program such as Qcite of Reference = Manager available?<

Look at www.my-symbian.com for hundreds of software titles I am sure you = will find some to your needs.

>I really like the integration of my e-mail and fax in one kit and the = thought of HSCSD is very tempting. Are there any Belgians around who use = a 9210i with HSCSD?<

>I also love the speakerphone functionality that was mentioned on the = Nokia web site. Does this work appropriately (volume, stability, can the = other caller hear you) in your opinions?<

The desk phone option is quite superb quality is excellent, you can be = heard from quite a distance, from the phone. =20 Any other specific questions you have please ask.=20

Best wish from a very happy one item user.

Ashley

*++++++++++&

Date: 6 Jun 2003 20:04:35 +0000

From: Timothy H.D. Williams

Subject: Little Sense

I have been looking at Little Sense which makes use of the Princeton University database, Word Book.

The db appears to be much the same as that used by tome Raider.

How on earth does LS manage to compact the info down to 2 mb when the same info in TR is over ten mb?

Best

---

When someone asks you, "A penny for your thoughts" and you put your two cents in . . . what happens to the other penny?

*++++++++++&

Date: 6 Jun 2003 21:14:15 +0000

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: ER5 email 0, ER6 email 1/Whole digests

ER5 EMAIL

Reply to Itamar Engelsman:

Subject: Web 2, Opera 0

Yes, and I also find Web to be generally more user friendly too. It can be a bit slow and doesn't support an increasing amount of sites but I still prefer it over Opera and I hate being left in the dark during a download session. Incidentally, this is also true of the ER5 Email app - when SENDING an email it doesn't tell you how far the uploading session has reached, which I find a bit of a pain as I regularly have to send attachments of a few hundred kb in size. I had to send a large attachment recently from my 9210 and to my pleasant surprise it showed a bar displaying the status of the upload, a feature missing from ER5 Email. I suppose I'd be asking just a bit too much of it to show an estimation of the upload time remaining too ;-)

WHOLE DIGESTS

I've noticed we are no longer "treated" to people sending in the whole of a previous Digest anymore. Is this because everyone is now very well behaved or are they still being sent but are now stripped out by the moderators before the Digest is sent out?

Sent to you from a Nokia 9210 Communicator.

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 02:23:03 +0000

From: Mark Deppe

Subject: Re: Re: Siemens S45 and Nokia 6610

Dick Chatjaval <<<The 6100 has some improvements in battery, lithium polymer not li-ion I think>>> No the 6100 battery is Nokia BL-4C 3.7V Li-ion. It is very small and light and efficient but still Li-ion. Only real difference is no radio, a few grams lighter, a few different games and for me better button layout and build quality. I had a 6610 for a while, I admit to missing the radio, but form factor of the 6100 one me over.

Kind regards

Mark

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 10:26:43 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Interesting gadget.

Howdy!

YahooMail farcrown (?) wrote (> ):

> You can get a barebones version of this from

> http://www.scan.co.uk

<SNIP>

> Then you can add your own 2.5" drive

Sounds very useful. After all, 40 gigs is probably overkill if you simply want to be able to take backups of your Psion and camera disks. However, after I had sent my previous e-mail on the subject, I began to have doubts whether the thing really allows backups from CF to the harddisk without connecting to a PC. Can someone confirm this?

> I don't know if you can copy from the HDD back to

> the CF though?

Can't see how, as that would require some sort of user interface with at least a button or two and possibly a screen.

Owen

Thought for the day:

If the facts do not conform to your theory, they must be disposed of.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-9Sjøhussenteret marina

68°43.13'N 15°24.74'E

Sortland in Vesterålen, Northern Norway

http://home.no.net/naomij

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 10:26:50 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Spam

Howdy!

Itamar Engelsman wrote (> ):

> However, I am happy I

> use my Psion for emailing, at least the virusses

> are stopped on the Psion and can't harm my PC at

> home.

I had a little "accident" with that a couple of years ago. I had received a virus on my Psion. Then I backed up the Psion to the PC. A while later I installed a virus scanner on the PC and it detected the virus in the Psion backup folder. The problem was, the virusscanner refused to let me even open the folder the virus was in, so the only way to get rid of the damned thing was to delete the whole Psion backup. I still don't understand why the damned virus-scanner didn't give me the option to simply delete the file.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Remember, the paper is always strongest at the perforations.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-953°27.22'N 6°09.05'W

Malahide, Ireland

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 10:26:57 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Wi-Fi, 9210

Howdy!

Kevin Thorne wrote (> ):

> Not only now can I write emails from my

> desk, but also from the kitchen and the arm-chair

> as well.

I can reach my kitchen from my arm-chair... :o)

> I use a leather case attached to my belt. The

> only downside is when you only want a phone with

> you it's a case of lumping around your PDA as well

> :-(

At least one of the GSM providers in Norway offers dual SIM which means you can have two phones with the same phonenumber. That means you can have a 9210 and a (cheap) phone on the same number. No problem leaving your 9210 at home as you can still carry a phone with the same number without having to move the SIM card over. You could check whether your GSM provider can supply a similar option.

> Well, trying to synch an ER5 machine with an ER6

> one on a regular basis would be VERY hard work so

> I didn't even think about going there!

I don't have a 9210, but expect that if I ever get one, I'll treat it's relationship to my Mako and 5mx the same way I now treat the Psions' realationship to the PC. As I almost always have the Mako with me, I see no reason to have agenda, contacts database, e-mail program etc. on the PC. I do synchronise the Mako with the 5mx though, but that is mostly to have a backup. It's nice to know that if the Mako gets lost or broken I can keep going on the 5mx right away without loosing more than a couple of days worth of data at worst. (Which reminds me, it's time to synch...)

When I first got the Mako I would synch it with the MC218 (R.I.P.) when I came home and again before going out every day so that I would have the benefit of the better keyboard and bigger screen when I was at home. By now I'm so used to typing on the Mako that I just use that all the time and use the 5mx mostly for sailing related tasks and reference works. However, if I travel away from home (the boat) for a couple of days, I synch before leaving and only bring the 5mx so I can have my reference works with me without bringing two palmtops. If I bought a 9210, I'd run my agenda, contacts and e-mail on that and use the Psions for those tasks the 9210 can't perform.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Money will not buy happiness, but it will let you be unhappy in nice places.

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 12:06:01 +0000

From: Chris S Handley

Subject: IR on the EPOC Emulator?

Help! :-)

Can anyone please confirm that the EPOC Emulator can or canNOT access the PC's InfraRed port?

It does not seem to work at all for me, and I have even installed IrCOMM2k-2.0.0-alpha7 on Windows XP (Tablet PC Edition:). But I am not totally sure if IrCOMM2k is working (and don't know how to test it), so it would be nice to know if I am wasting my time trying to get it working.

I have the intention of swapping my Microdrive between my laptop & my Netbook as I need to. This leaves the problem of accessing files on my Netbook's C drive, and the obvious answer seems to be using EpocSync over InfraRed. But if InfraRed does not work, then I am severly stuck :-(

BTW, if I use Raw IR in Comms on my Netbook, it seems the laptop is continously sending out some "garbage" (at 9600bps); which suggests

to me that IrCOMM2k is not actived. Any ideas?

---

Chris Handley

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 13:02:45 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: How to collect Spam.

The following was snipped from the Project Galactic Guide:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

alt.test

(Real)

Internet Methods Of Relieving Boredom

Are you bored? Does nobody email you? Do you have no friends?

After following my course you will be receiving hundreds of email messages from interesting people [1] all around the world. The course is simple to follow, extremely cheap, and cost effective. In just four weeks I changed from <#insert dweeb picture> to <#insert Arnold Schwarzenegger>.

Simply post [2] a usenet news message to alt.test and you will receive scores of email messages from like-minded people [3] who have nothing to do except talk to people like you.

Don't delay! Try it today!

Notes:

[1] Of course, should you be emailed by machines then don't complain - just consider yourself lucky.

[2] Should you not have news access then emailinstead.

[3] See footnote [1], above.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

How about someone sets up test addresses with a few different e-mail providers and tries this just to see which ones collect most Spam? This would be a good way to test different Spam filters too.

PS. You probably shouldn't do this from your personal e-mail address, but you could try entering your boss, wife or best friend's address as the from address... :o)

Hmmm... I wonder if I still have the e-mail address to the guy who swindled me when I bought the Toshiba Laptop...

Owen (On a rainy Saturday in Malahide, Ireland)

Thought for the day:

A lot of people long for immortality, but don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Saturday afternoon.

*++++++++++&

Date: 7 Jun 2003 22:30:25 +0000

From: Dick Chatjaval

Subject: Gprs success with Nokia 6610

Thanks to all who helped me with my mobile phone, from choosing one to setting up Gprs.

I finally succeeded by using Itamar's settings for his 6310i on my 6610, and from postings on the digest I learnt I needed to set 'active access point' as 'internet'. I was looking in the wrong place on the phone, but finally found where to change it from 'wap' to 'internet'. So there was no need to use the string 'at+cgdcont=1,"ip","internet" ' on my Psion.