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Epoc Digest Mon, 07 Jul 2003 Volume 01 : Number 296

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In today's Epoc Digest 21 messages:

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- Backup problems

- Accu

- Nokia 6310i

- Re: Charging netbooks accu, Opera, nBpetition & *.CE,:nokia 6310i - ericsson p800/810 : Compact Flash: Printing from 9210

- netBook PSU's

- Spare battery S7

- Message of Roman Poon, tri-band GSM cell phone,

- Re: Tim Schweikerts phone

- Re: Psion multi voltage PSU

- Psion / S-E T610

- Re. Opera - Nobody answered (4 Itamar)

- Re. eMail crashes ( Itamar)

- EPOC Lemmings (4 Trygve)

- Electronic Piece Of Cheese?

- Re: Adieu (4 Ray)

- Re: eMail crashes (Index file) (4 Owen)

- Re.: Charging netbooks accu (4 Itamar)

- Re: BatGauge7, DIMM Upgrade (4 Itamar)

- Re: Birthdays (4 Owen and Keith)

- Re: Charging netBook accu (4 Keith)

- Re: eMail crashes (4 Rolf V.)

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 01:09:46 +0000

From: Peter Burke

Subject: Backup problems

Having problems backing up. Regularly get the reply 'cannot backup ... because access is denied'. Have ensured all programs are closed on the Psion and have even tried a soft reset. What can I do?

Peter Burke

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 07:33:16 +0000

From: Carlos Rodriguez

Subject: Accu

>Date: 3 Jul 2003 05:30:53 +0000

From: Keith Giles

Subject: Re: Revo Battery

Re: Charging netBook accu

Francisco, I'm not familiar with the term "accu". Is that a battery?

Happy Cycling,

Keith

Sunnyvale, CA

http://ohsix827.home.comcast.net

This may come from German usage. In German, there's a difference between "Batterie", which is a non-rechargable battery, and an "Akku" (which comes from "Akkumulator") which is a rechargable battery. An Akku may also be called a Batterie, of course, since Akku is a subset of Batterie...

I hope this helps.

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 07:33:28 +0000

From: Carlos Rodriguez

Subject: Nokia 6310i

>Date: 3 Jul 2003 20:16:00 +0000

From: Tim Schweikert

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 293

>Non-PDA question: I'm looking for a tri-band GSM cell phone with the best fringe area reception/transmission. I don't really care one way or another about size, but yes I still want it small enough that I can carry it (no 1.5watt units please). Also I would rather skip color since that kills battery life.

>I have heard that the Nokia 6310i is good. Any suggestions?

I have a 6310i and am quite happy with it. Battery lasts more than a week, it's got triband (have successfully used it in Europe and US), it has HSCSD and GPRS, and Bluetooth and IrDA infrared. It is a touch larger in size than the very last models, but personally I can't cope with those miniature keys which are in fashion these days. I'd think if you want a "business" oriented phone rather than a "fun" phone you'd be happy with it (I.e. if you don't want colour, camera, MMS, or polyphonic sounds).

Ciao

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 09:29:22 +0000

From: Arent Kits van Heijningen

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 295 : Charging netbooks accu, Opera, nBpetition & *.CE,:nokia 6310i - ericsson p800/810 : Compact Flash: Printing from 9210

Subject: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 295: Charging netbooks accu, Opera, nB petition & *.CE,:nokia 6310i - ericsson p800/810 : Compact Flash : Printing from 9210

Date: 2003/07/06 01:16:45

On 3 Jul 2003 13:52:44 +0000 , Itamar Engelsman wrote about :

Charging netbooks accu, Opera, nB petition & *.CE,

>>Answer to: Arent Kits van Heijningen & others re. nB petition & *.CE -

Personally I am pessimistic (in light of past experiences). I think once the

new nB will be in full production they will discontinue the old nB just like

they already discontinued the S7. <<

Therefore my proposal for a "budget" machine with a faster version of the

chip used in the s5mx/mc218 and with *.CE compatibility

That budget machine could be roughly the same size as the -now defunct-

jornada 6**/7** models , one Type II CF w. I/O support and one Type II MMC (

w. SD/SDIO support under *.CE or PalmOS 5 , support for Nokia's proprietary

formats under Symbian 6.1 and above ) , same keyboard as s5mx/mc218 , 640 by

480 colour active matrix DSTN screen

, choice of batteries ( 3.6 volts lithium inside machine or dockable , ,7.2

or 14.4 in extternal box connected to power jack , external box for 3 NiMH's (dockable ) or 6 ditto ( cable to power jack )

The discontinuation of the old netbook has to come as the strongarm on wich

it is based is discontinued , hence my proposal for a reworked model based on

a faster version of the chip used in the s5mx/mc218

>>We own great machines, but let's face it, sooner or later these will

disappear.<<

Fortunately that day will be a few years off ,the existing stocks of

components and complete machines will last long enough to ensure a painless

migration

Some development efforts should be spent to provide the tools to let the

*.CE-based Psions/Nokia's/Ericssons to communicate effortlessly with their

Epoc/Symbian-based predecessors and to port over the fine aplications

developed over the past decade for the Epoc 16/32 - Symbian platform

>>For me personally a keyboard is absolutel essential and in due course when

I will have to make the choice, a new nB running WindowsCE might be

preferable above a small notebook. It would mean a lot of adjustments,

different programs, etc., but we have to move on with the time. In the

meantime I will enjoy my S7 to the fullest. But, again my _personal_ opinion,

as we all slowly move towards new machines sooner or later, it will be a

subject that the digest should be open to. <<

*.CE is not as bad as many let us believe , it is very user-friendly and

extremely stable ***BUT*** it is a dog to get it set up properly to get it

there , you have to dig deep into the guts of the systen , edit obscure

registry settings or configuration files and do the occasional soft reset

before it all works as planned

>>Let's hear from someone who might get the nB with windowsCE in here please.

Well , I do have now four years experience with Windows CE and found it

perfectly fitting my needs and had very few issues with it , I did however a

careful setup job and ended up with near-unix-like stability

Thanks to my s5mx dutchie that can run RMRZIP file exchanges -including .sis

files between my 680 and Epoc are no longer an issue ( pack everything in a

.zip on the 680 using the .zip function in Total Commander and if it's big

xmodem it overnight

>>PS. Could I ask you kindly to try and separate the quoted message and your

answer better ? I find it hard to see where the quote ends and your answer

starts]<<

Yes , I saw that , it was the result of just pasting the edit of that digest

directly from Word on my 5mx dutchie into EmuraEdit on my HP680LX using

Datacomms and EmuraTerm

It worked okay but I lost all the line-endings / linefeeds in the process so

i had to tidy it up by hand

This was a carry-over from the Osaris days where it took forever to open the

file transfer dialog box

Now I have found a good way to xmodem over the edit so the formatting is

preserved

(now that I completed the transfer I see that it is correctly formatted in qmail )

On : 3 Jul 2003 20:16:00 +0000

Tim Schweikert wrote :

Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 293

>>All,I come to this august body of product knowledge agents with a couple

questions about cell phones - one non-PDA and one PDA type. <<

You're welcome , do yo remember me from the CompuServe Palmtop and HPHand

forum days ? so you can again ask me anything you wanted to know and did not

dare to ask

>>Non-PDA question: I'm looking for a tri-band GSM cell phone with the best

fringe area reception/transmission. I don't really care one way or another

about size, but yes I still want it small enough that I can carry it (no

1.5watt units please). Also I would rather skip color since that kills

battery life.

I have heard that the Nokia 6310i is good. Any suggestions? <<

Great phone , I have one

The antenna is large but completely enclosed within the contour of the

handset so nothing that sticks out

Great sound quality , requires Jabra earplug for good volume

Battery lasts almost forever on a single charge

Built-in pim functions ,calendar , full addressbook , notetaker in

SMS/messaging application

>>PDA question: What do we know about the Sony Ericsson P800 phone? It's

supposed to have an EPOC core, I think. What can be loaded on it? How is

the radio section?<<

Very good one , on a par with the Nokia commies and the Microsoft spv , it has

a touchscreen and Jotter , software is a bit thin on the ground , however

because of the proprietary UI

On 4 Jul 2003 04:03:58 +0000 : Mark Deppe wrote

Re: Compact Flash V1 # 292 (6)

>>I used to have a danelec 64MB it worked but was very slow.<<

I use(d) Sandisks in various devices , never has any issues with that , but mail

on my s5mx dutchie is unspeakably slow ( i.e 120-180 minutes downloads for

20-30 message headers at 19.200 bps versus normal 2 - 4 min at the same baud

rate if I store the mail directory on a card )

Everything else works fine

On 5 Jul 2003 13:33:49 +0000

Kevin Thorne wrote about :

Printing from 9210

>>Has anyone successfully used a 9210 to print directly to an IR printer?

Even though I select the correct driver to print to my Canon BJ-10e (equipped

with an IR adaptor), all I get is gobblygook. Yet when I use my S7 I have no

trouble and the print output is fine.<<

The fine - but devastating - detail here is the difference in how ER 5 and ER

6/7 handle printing

ER5 uses LPR (the DOS/UNIX print protocol ) while ER6/7 use bitmap

Bitmap works fine for images such as .tiff and .jpg but results in gobblygook

with anything else

You will need a "smart" printer that understands standard filetransfer

protocols like xmodem or ftp and wich has onboard drivers to get around this

issue

And these are neither cheap nor easily portable , but using an USF PC you

could turn your small Canon into a "smart" printer

Probable workaround : use Sander's pdfprint

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 15:01:16 +0000

From: Trygve Henriksen

Subject: netBook PSU's

Greetings!

I just returned from my cayaking trip and could finally check the PSU for my netBook.

Mine is the same Sunpower BPA-201-15V as it seems Lowe is delivering with his machines. It may be that Psion never bothered to get a branded model for machines not sold in the UK, but just used what was available.

(For all I know, the Psion branded ones may also be made by Sunpower :-)

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Rechargeing the Li-ion battery out of the netBook...

It would be possible, but you must build your own charger, and that is a messy affair.(No, I haven't seen any such chargers advertised anywhere)

I could do it, but the cost is... not good... Electronics suppliers don't like to sell low volumes of chips, and the control chips needed are frightfully expensive in small volumes. The fact that they(and the supporting components) are usually surface mount doesn't help, either.

:-)

Trygve

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 21:05:03 +0000

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Spare battery S7

Charging netbooks accu

Stephane Sage wrote:-

<< Does anyone know about a possible solution to charge the netbooks accu outside of the device. I wanted to buy a second accu but it makes only sense to me if I can charge the second accu apart from the nB. .... Did anyone of you had same thoughts? >>

I've had a Psion 7 for some time and recently bought a nB with a spare battery pack.

I've thought about charging them from a motorhome's 12 volt system or solar panels. You don't say, but it's safe to assume that you require mains voltage charging.

External has advantages as it's only 10.8v rather than 15v or a range of 13.5v to 16.5v.

I've decided on making an adapter to plug in to the S7/nB (using the cable cut from the nB PSU) as it does not require making a special socket to fit the battery pack. OK, I've got two Psions, but with only one, the time to fully recharge being about half the discharge time; I can't see that charging the spare in a Psion would present a problem. Unless you need to run for over 12 hours per day before recharge.

Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion 7 & Nokia 6210e.

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Date: 6 Jul 2003 23:57:12 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Message of Roman Poon, tri-band GSM cell phone,

Message to all:

Re. Message of Roman Poon - This message passed our scrutiny by mistake. Please ignore his request to register your email address on his website. Sorry for the oversight.

Answer to: Tim Schweikert

Re.: tri-band GSM cell phone - Yes, the 6310i is very good. I use it for days (light usage) without recharging it and it works also with GPRS. It is not too big and robust enough (I dropped it a couple of times without damage but for a few scratches. It looks like I've got dust under the screen, but otherwise nothing negative to report about it, only positive and use it for over a year now. I can recommend it .

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 06:50:46 +0000

From: michael robins

Subject: Re: Tim Schweikerts phone

>Non-PDA question:

>I'm looking for a tri-band GSM cell phone with the best fringe area reception/transmission.

I used a Nokia 6310i, till I lost it in Australia. I found it a great phone, good reception and long battery life. Down side was that it is a bit heavier than the newer (small) colour triband phones (ie Sony Ericcson T68i). It is also larger - but that made it easier to use! Being a Nokia, the menu system was excellent. Regarding colour, I believe the T68i has a pretty good battery life even though it is colour

MikeR

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 06:57:50 +0000

From: michael robins

Subject: Re: Psion multi voltage PSU

Psion Power Supplies:

I believe Expansys sell Psion Power Suppplies :-)

Bu the S7 USA one costs £33 :-(

MikeR

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 16:41:54 +0000

From: Jan R Gustafsson

Subject: Psion / S-E T610

Hi all!

My firm upgraded me from my trusty Ericsson T39 to the new T610 the other day. Sorry to say, my experience from a few days use of it is that this time S-E really messed it up. And I think both software- and hardwarewise.

Where the T39 accepted Calendar appointments correctly when IR-beamed from 5mx / M218, the T610 does not. The appointment gets no title and a linked note can not be access on the phone. Repeated appointments with alarms get totally messed up.

The same goes for Tasks, and here it shows that the phone is unable to handle IR sent To-Do:s with repeats, due dates, status and priorities, something that the T39 did without problems.

I have been synching Calendar, Tasks and Contacts in the T39 with my M218 via Outlook for a long time and this has always worked fine. With the T610 it is not that straightforward. I have to admit that S-E this time has done a lousy job programming the new phone. An option to write Notes on the T610 is a welcome addition, but what do you know, it is not possible to synch these Notes with Notes in Outlook! When asked, S-E support just says "..it is developed that way."

Maybe a little out of topic but I like to add a warning for the large but bad screen on the T610. Nice resolution and good colours - but only if you stay indoors! On a normal summer day, it is almost impossible - not only for somewhat elderly people like me - to see what's on the screen. And one reason for me to upgrade from the T39 was to get a larger and better screen....!

Sorry to post such a negative comment, maybe future sw releases will remove some of the obstacles I found in the T610.

Bye,

Jan G

Stockholm, Sweden

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:08:54 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re. Opera - Nobody answered (4 Itamar)

"Re. Opera - Nobody answered me first time a while back. Opera 3.6 was free for S7 / nB users. I upgraded to 5.14 which is now an evaluation program. I have got 26 days left (user days, not calendar days). Is this version free or not ? If not, is it worthwhile to upgrade or not ?"

Sorry Itamar, I've been busy! Here's the info straight from the horse's mouth (that's Opera - not me!):

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From the Opera for Symbian:·Version 5 FAQ

"Do I need a new registration code?

Yes, you will require a different code from the one issued for Opera 3.62. Those who purchased Opera 3.62 for EPOC can obtain a free upgrade by contacting Opera Software and quoting your Opera 3.62 reg code. Opera will Email a serial for Opera 5 to you.

Unfortunately, if your copy of Opera 3.62 was supplied with the device then you are not entitled to a free copy of Opera 5.

Is the upgrade to Opera 5 free?

If you have purchased Opera directly from Opera Software, or through one of it's authorised resellers such as Braindock or Go32 then you are entitled to a free upgrade to Opera 5. By verifying that you're a registered owner of version 3.62 (usually by submitting your registration code upon request), Opera will provide you with a new serial for Opera 5. You are not be entitled to a free copy of Opera 5 for Symbian OS if you're a registered Windows user, however a license for a second platform is available at a much reduced rate.

Owners of devices that were supplied with a copy of Opera 3.62, such as the Psion Series 7, Revo+ or Diamond Mako, are not automatically entitled to a free upgrade to Opera 5.

These copies are distributed by the device manufacturer under special licence and as such are not subject to the policies of Opera Software AS. Any decision to offer upgrades is down to the manufacturer, who should also be the recipient of any enquiry or comment on the subject.

(Note that this doesn't affect tech support, which is still freely available from Opera)

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:08:56 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re. eMail crashes ( Itamar)

"Answer to: Korbinian

Re. eMail crashes - No, I have no further info for you as requested. However, just wanted to say it might be worthwhile to use SaveMail to keep your emails and leave the email folder(s) as empty as possible. I never have more than in total 20 to 30 emails in my various folders and never encountered any problems with crashing the program."

I also use SaveMail regularly (daily!) to keep my folders clean - but I've still had Email bug out a couple of times. Not sure why.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:08:58 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: EPOC Lemmings (4 Trygve)

"Now going back to playing Lemmings on my CD-i player..."

Boy, does that bring up old memories! Just to bring this back on topic: Lemmings for EPOC anyone? In colour, of course!

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:08:59 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Electronic Piece Of Cheese?

Has anyone else heard this bit from wikipedia.com?

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

EPOC is the general name of a family of operating systems for personal digital assistants (PDAs), produced first by Psion and now developed by a spin-off, Symbian. The name EPOC, claimed to stand for Electronic Piece Of Cheese, is deprecated, and the name Symbian OS is preferred. EPOC seems to be the most popular PDA operating system in Europe, mainly for its good abilities to handle mobile communication."

I always wondered what EPOC stands for - but 'Electronic Piece of Cheese'? Please tell me it isn't so!

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:10:07 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Adieu (4 Ray)

"Alas, my 5mx has gone flakey for the third time in as many years. This time, it is not the usual screen cable problem, but an extreme sensitivity to touch. Even picking it up causes immediate, repeated soft resets and clobbered system parameters (e.g., time, date, and open file pointers). I suspect a fracture (perhaps multiple fractures) in the motherboard circuitry. Given its age and the likelihood of other material deterioration, I have decided to remove life support.

As I depart, I would like to express my appreciation to all who have contributed to the digest over the years. Despite the occasional heated debates, I have come away better informed and my use of this once-trusty device was enhanced by all your contributions."

Sorry to see you go, Ray.

FWIW, the screen cable situation may have taken a *dramatic* turn for the better if the newer design screen-cable, now being used by some repair services, is as much an improvement as we all hope it is.

As for the more serious problems with your 5mx - I'm wondering how you've carried your Psion around. The 5mx is a rather fragile handheld. I know that the PalmTec hardcase has saved my 5mx a couple of times when it has slid out of my pocket onto a hard surface. Have you been carrying your 5mx around without a good case to protect it? Just curious.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:10:09 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: eMail crashes (Index file) (4 Owen)

"Howdy!

Jack wrote (> ):

> I read about this "trick" on english fori (might

> be psionplace) two or three years ago... and even

> using an Agenda! file should do.

I first saw it on this very digest a few months back. The poster (sorry, can't remember who) said you could use any file and name it Index, but I tried with a Word file, and that didn't work, so I used an empty text file instead."

Actually that was me, Owen - and I was only passing on information first posted by Marty Scholes on psionplace.com. Also, I had read that any file could be used but wasn't sure if that was actually correct. As I said then - I've used both Agenda and Editor (text) files successfully.

Here's my original post from way back in Digest 237:

"you can have Email rebuild the Index, if it ever corrupts, by closing Email (may have to do a soft reset), deleting (or removing) the bad Index file from the Mail folder, creating a new file of (probably or possibly) any type (I've used Agenda and Editor, myself) and naming it 'Index' (without the quotes) and then starting Email. Can't take credit for this one though - it was Marty Scholes who discovered this 'trick' and let the world know on the psionplace.com netBook board.

Here's the thread:

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=a05b8ff535525c08a1fc51ff06886c53&threadid=15961"

(Sorry, in my frantic copy/pasting to a Word file, done as part of an effort to catch up with the Digest - I've pasted this in such a way that I'm not sure if this was still you, Owen:)

"Yes, I do use EpocSync and it has happened that I've forgotten to rename the Mail folder. Rebuilding the index file brought back quite a few old forgotten e-mails that had long since been archived to SaveMail."

I've been using EpocSync for a few weeks and I've not found it necessary *yet* to rename the Mail folder before synchronizing the two machines. Also, the mysterious old email messages and attachments that are resurrected after the index rebuild have, IMHO, nothing to do with EpocSync - as I first noticed these resurrected messages immediately after the first time I rebuilt the index (after reading how to do it on psionplace.com) and *well before I ever used EpocSync*. Also, I keep finding old 'deleted' messages in the 00001001_S folder, and I haven't used EPOCSync since the last time I cleaned up the Mail folder.

As I mentioned to Rolf V., there are two ways to clean up the Mail folder that I'm aware of:

1. Use SaveMail to save all messages from all folders to a Data file.

2. Delete all messages from all folders in Email.

3. Go to the Mail directory and delete all messages in the 00001001_S folder.

4. Still in the Mail directory: delete any attachments from whatever folders they are in along with the folders themselves.

5.. Rebuild the Email index. (Actually this part is probably not necessary)

Try this at your own risk, and be sure to backup your entire Mail directory first! Also, this assumes that you don't mind transferring messages out of Email itself and into a Data file with SaveMail.

Another thing I've found successful is to simply delete any files in the 00001001_S folder and any attachments (from whatever folders they're in) *with a file date older than the oldest message currently in Email* along with the associated folders (for the attachments) themselves - if nothing else is in them.

Once again: try this at your own risk, and be sure to backup your entire Mail directory first!

I think that Email itself sometimes leaves messages (and associated attachments) behind after they are deleted - by mistake and that they are not in the index (before being rebuilt) because they were, after all, supposed to have been deleted!

"PS. Thanks Chris for the tip about MailArch. Could you please supply an URL?"

I'm sure I've got this backed up somewhere; let me know if you want me to email it to you. FWIW, I thoroughly tested MailArc and found SaveMail to be the better of the two - I can't remember why though.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:10:11 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re.: Charging netbooks accu (4 Itamar)

"Re.: Charging netbooks accu - As it is "unhealthy" for a battery to be left without using and you would not know the state of the battery, my suggestion is to buy a second battery and change the batteries over about once a month. I find that after a month of lying around the spare battery has still almost a full charge."

I agree. This is exactly what I've been doing. Also, even if an external charger were available it would cost so much with the second battery that a second netBook from Sita, David Lowe or Ebay would probably make more sense. No doubt an external charger something like the Jornada 72X's plus the second battery would cost nearly as much as my MalayBook did at $258.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:10:34 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: BatGauge7, DIMM Upgrade (4 Itamar)

"Answer to: David Lir

Re.: BatGauge7 - Thanks for appointing me official translator for BatGauge7 <BG>. I'll try to do something but it could take a week or so."

LOL. You did offer to translate if *before* I appointed you though. BTW, the week or two is up! ;)

"Re. DIMM Upgrade - I second your opinion, it is most definitely money very well spent !"

Yup, especially at the recent lower prices. Sita, Christoph over at Pulster.de and, I think, David Lowe all have the DIMM for a far more reasonable price than Expansys.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:11:12 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Birthdays (4 Owen and Keith)

"Happy Birthday, Owen.

With my 79th rapidly approaching this Saturday, I've probably forgotten most of those folks I didn't like; frequently see those I do; and having had lens implants in both eyes, I can *vividly* tell the difference. :-)"

Happy 40th, Owen - keep exploring the world for those of us who can't!

Happy 79th, Keith - keep cycling the world for those of us who can't!

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:11:25 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Charging netBook accu (4 Keith)

"Francisco, I'm not familiar with the term "accu". Is that a battery?"

Accu is short for accumulator - that's a rechargeable battery to you and me :).

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 7 Jul 2003 17:11:34 +0000

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: eMail crashes (4 Rolf V.)

"> … and leave the email folder(s) as empty as

> possible. I never have more than in total 20 to 30

> emails in my various folders

I do make it so, too. But today I stated, that most of the emails are deleted in the email app, but not in the folder C:\System\Mail\00001001_S\ (I see in the Email app 40 mails with 3 attachments, but in the folder 00001001_S\ 177 files + 13 subfolders).

This means, the email app deletes the mails only in the index, but not "physically". A bug??"

If it looks like a bug...

"Could someone give a piece of advise, how to find the useless files and subfolders to be deleted?"

I was going to tell you to rebuild the Index file and then delete any old previously deleted messages in Email again, but I tried that procedure recently and found one of the old resurrected messages was *totally* undeletable - Email gave a 'Locked' message every time I tried to delete it even after a soft-reset. So I figure this should work better:

1. Use SaveMail to save all messages from all folders to a Data file.

2. Delete all messages from all folders in Email.

3. Go to the Mail directory and delete all messages in the 00001001_S folder.

4. Still in the Mail directory: delete any attachments from whatever folders they are in along with the folders themselves.

5.. Rebuild the Email index. (Actually this part is probably not necessary)

Try this at your own risk, and be sure to backup your entire Mail directory first! Also, this assumes that you don't mind transferring messages out of Email itself and into a Data file with SaveMail.

Once again: try this at your own risk, and be sure to backup your entire Mail directory first!