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Epoc Digest Mon, 11 Aug 2003 Volume 01 : Number 315

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Sent to: 800 subscribers

In today's Epoc Digest 12 messages:

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- Analysis, Revo battery,

- Architectural PDA CAD

- Mako Revo Battery Fix...NOT

- Cycling through documents (was: Remapping to Data)

- Online pics

- Re: Remapping silks

- Re: Answer to Rolf

- Re: Compact Flash database

- Re: Revo Form-Factor Successor...

- Yours for free

- SE T610

- Re: Analysis

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Date: 9 Aug 2003 21:17:38 +0100

From: Eric Lindsay

Subject: Analysis, Revo battery,

Re >Epoc Digest Sat, 09 Aug 2003 Volume 01 : Number 314 >From: Rolf Vonau

>Subject: Analysis of subscribers

>http://www.psioneering.co.uk/digests/analysis.html

>Thanks to Francis for publication.

I think thanks are due to you both for the amount of work involved in this.

Alwys nice to know who is doing the most talking in the digest.

>From: Edward J. Curtis, Jr.

>Subject: What's Your Revo Battery Solution

>Nothing special. Soon after I bought it I had to return it to Psion to get the battery repaired.

It is known that when Psion repaired Revos, they also used custom software to manually change the battery charging parameters, after actually measuring charge and discharge characteristics. In a non-repaired Revo, this is set by using the display digitiser on cold boot as a measuring tool to set the same parameters. The manual method may well have advantages over the autometic setting, else Psion wouldn't have added it to their repair practices.

Eric Lind www.avalook.com

Box 640 Airlie Beach Qld Australia ph +61 7 4948 0435

http://www.ericlindsay.com NEW Airlie-SF-Psion-Epoc

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Date: 9 Aug 2003 23:09:36 +0100

From: Studio 70

Subject: Architectural PDA CAD

Hi Folks

Some time ago some one made an enquiry regarding CAD for PDAs in an Architectural environment.

If you write to me off list I'll send you a fairly extensive report from a DataCAD News letter that I receive. Unfortunately the PDA is not a Psion but it still makes interesting reading, if you are into that sort of thing. <G>

Regards

Bob and Loris Hancock

Beside beautiful sunny Currumbin Beach

on the Gold Coast of Queensland Australia

You are welcome to visit Loris' home page at

http://www.lorishancock.com

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 02:28:15 +0100

From: Daniel M Siegel

Subject: Mako Revo Battery Fix...NOT

Dear All -

My repaired battery pack charged to 100% using Kevin Millican's approach but lost charge and would not start sans mains after sitting unused or two days. Any suggestions appreciated.

Daniel Mark Siegel MD, MS (Management and Policy)

Phone 631-751- MOHS / 631-751-6647

Office Fax 631-751-6644 / 631-980-3893

PERSONAL FAX (in USA): 586 283 0510 via eFax

www.skincancer.dermdex.net

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 08:07:34 +0100

From: Wolfgang Golder

Subject: Cycling through documents (was: Remapping to Data)

Hi Astrid,

perhaps the following Macro can help you. It gets the "topmost" data document and sends it to background. Then it does the same but brings it to

foreground. This way you can cycle through your open Data documents. If Data is not running it will be started.

INCLUDE "CONST.OPH"

INCLUDE "SYSTEM.OXH"

INCLUDE "SYSRAM1.OXH"

PROC nextDoc:

Thread&= nextThread%:("Data")

IF Thread&<> 0

SetBackgroundByThread&:(Thread&,0)

ELSE

FgApp%:("Z:\System\Apps\Data\Data.app")

RETURN

ENDIF

Thread&= nextThread%:("Data")

IF Thread&<> 0

SetForegroundByThread&:(Thread&,0)

ENDIF

ENDP

PROC nextThread%:(App$)

LOCAL ThreadID&, p&, p1&, NextApp$(255), AppName$(255)

p&=0

ONERR E::

WHILE 1

ThreadID&= GetThreadIDFromCaption&:("*",p&)

NextApp$= GetNextWindowGroupName$:(ThreadID&,p1&)

NextApp$= MID$(NextApp$, LOC(NextApp$, CHR$(0))+1, LEN(NextApp$))

AppName$= LEFT$(NextApp$, LOC(NextApp$, CHR$(0))-1)

IF AppName$= App$

RETURN ThreadID&

ENDIF

ENDWH

E::

ONERR OFF

ENDP

Is this what you needed?

Regards

Wolfgang

http://www.golder.de

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 08:56:42 +0100

From: robertsont

Subject: Online pics

Hi,

does anyone know where i can get pics online of a disassembled psion 7 machine!? Still trying to work out how to refit my disk drive!

Many thanks,

tom

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 21:47:32 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Remapping silks

Dear Astrid,

<< some digests ago I asked about a way of remapping Data to Infrared while retaining the switch function (i.e. when calling data again it will switch to the next open data file). Ulrich Hornstein had data set above Contacts and could so get this function by pressing Ctrl + Contacts ... I would still prefer the original idea (keeping contacts at its icon and mapping data to infrared). Is there really no way to do it? >>

I think it has to do with the functionality that's attached to the application silk screen buttons. Remap Data to the Sheet button and the button is now linked to the Data application rather than the Sheet application. What it inherits is the file switching function associated with the application buttons. Tapping on the Sheet button allows you to switch between the Data files you have open in memory.

The infrared silk screen button, on the other hand, opens a menu that allows you to select the infrared send or receive function. Map Data to the infrared button and the display of the menu is replaced by the instruction to open the Data application. Tap on the button and Data is launched, opening the most recently used Data file. When Data is already in memory it results in Data being placed in the foreground. And that's it.

When you want to have the file switching functionality of the application buttons also on the remap of the infrared button you probably need to remap a macro to it. One that performs the following checks:

a) If Data hasn't been launched -> Launch Data

b) If Data is active in the background -> Place it in the foreground

c) If Data is in the foreground -> Switch to another Data file

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 21:47:42 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Answer to Rolf

Dear Martin,

<< I am perfectly aware of Symbian's naming policies. But in a forum where most people prefer to refer to EPOC, I found it more consistent to refer ER5, ER6, ER7 etc if that is the lingo >>

This only results in confusion and misunderstanding. It's much better to make the following classification based on devices and the name of the operating system they were launched with.

EPOC

- Psion Series 5

- Psion Series 5mx

- Psion Series 7

- Psion Revo

- Psion Revo Plus

- Psion Teklogix netBook

- Psion Teklogix netPad

- Ericsson MC218

- Ericsson R380

- Diamond Mako

- Oregon Scientific Osaris

- Geofox One

Symbian OS

- Nokia 9210

- Nokia 9210i

- Nokia 9290

- Nokia 7650

- Nokia 3650

- Nokia 6600

- Nokia N-Gage

- SonyEricsson P800

- Motorola A920

- Fujitsu FOMA F2051

Or, in other words, EPOC goes into handheld computers and Symbian OS in smartphones. The single exception to this rule is the Ericsson R380.

It also fits the scope of the EPOC Digest as it was created to discuss, and to give mutual support on, the handheld computers listed under EPOC above. I don't think we're totally against discussing the devices listed under Symbian OS, nor about the R380, but that's not really the scope of this digest. When you want to know more about (say) the Nokia 9210i you're better off visiting the alt.cellular.nokia newsgroup on USENET.

<< Honestly I have never heard of one that came off the idea stage >>

There have been petitions about the Series 3Link cable, the features of a successor to the Series 3a, the backlight feature of the Series 3c, the hinges of the Series 3 models, a consumer version of the netBook, a memory card slot for the Revo and then I'm probably forgetting a petition or two.

<< My simple message to the community - whatever constitutes it - stop arguing about definitions and terms and exact wordings of the petition etc etc. >>

When you sign a petition you indicate that you agree with what the petition says. The exact wording of the petition is therefore important.

<< The overarchinge question here is whether or not you wish Psion, any subsidiary or associate company of Psion, or any third party in partnership with Psion, to develop a Symbian OS version of the netBook Pro. Extrapolated, it is also whether or not there should be a continued existence Symbian OS devices where its more PDA type features are available.

If your answer to this question is 'No', then do not sign the petition. Otherwise sign it. >>

Well ... there you go.

1) Do I want to see Symbian OS based handheld computers and the answer is : Yes.

2) Do I want to have a Symbian OS based netBook Pro and the answer is : No.

3) Do I see "Symbian OS devices where its more PDA type features are available" on the market and the answer is : Yes.

4) Do I foresee a "continued existence" of these "Symbian OS devices where its more PDA type features are available" and the answer is : Yes

5) Do I foresee a "continued existence" of these "Symbian OS devices where its more PDA type features are available" as the continuation of the Series 5mx and the answer is : No

6) Do I consider the Nokia 9210i a good replacement for a handheld computer like the Psion Series 5mx and the answer is : Both Yes and No.

7) Do I consider the SonyEricsson P800 a good replacement for a PDA like the Palm M515 and the answer is : Both Yes and No.

The way I see it is that the PDA (Palm M515) and handheld computer (Psion Series 5mx) will disappear, to be replaced by wirelessly connected devices. Via a wireless LAN (802.11 wireless ethernet) in the office or home and/or via a wireless mobile network (GSM, GPRS, EDGE, WCDMA) outside the office or home. I therefore don't see much of a future for a next generation 5mx with a colour screen, more memory, faster processor and Symbian OS 7 on board. I'd buy one when it came on the market tomorrow. However, what I'm actually waiting for is the successor to the Nokia 9210i - an existing Symbian OS based device - with GPRS wireless connectivity.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 22:21:21 +0100

From: Jaan Sass

Subject: Re: Compact Flash database

I use a 256meg simpletech compact flash card I bought at a Sam's Club (American wholesale store associated with Wal-Mart) for about $50 USD. I have not had any problems with it and use it heavily. I am plaining to get a 512meg card in the future.

> Dear All,

> As promised, I've been collecting inputs from people for

> the past week or so on makes / sizes of Compact Flash

> (CF) cards that they've found and reported to have

> worked / not worked in their EPOC machines. I've now

> uploaded an initial file and it's available on both my

> Compact Flash page and Database Files page. So far it

> has details on 63 different make / size combinations

> numbering over 100 individual cards. If you haven't yet

> contributed and would like to then please drop me an

> email letting me know a) the make, b) the size, c)

> whether it worked or not on your machine, and d) any

> other comments...

> It's not large - 8Kb - and it's available at

> www.pscience5.net

> Cheers,

> Martin

Bye bye

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 22:21:45 +0100

From: Jaan Sass

Subject: Re: Revo Form-Factor Successor...

I looked at the Dana but was not overly impressed. I understand it was developed for kids but see that they are trying market it for home adult use. The screen is smaller than my psion 7 and no color. This was the first thing I noticed. The Dana price tag new is $399 USD about what I paid for Psion 7 on ebay. The Keyboard looks good. The current Dana as you pointed out only has 8meg ram my Psion 7 has 32meg. I use my psion for everything at home I do not think I could do the same with the Dana. For me it would not be a good alternative.

I have a lot of people who claim to be upset about the Psion netbook changing os's and then talking about Linux, and pocketpc machines as alternatives. For me Wince would not be bad on the Netbook. Mobipocket is my main program and would have to find alternative software for somethings but it is not the end of the world and I would still have cool hardware of Psion 7/netbook. By the way I did sign the petition and love epoc but also love the design of my psion 7 and have found no similar machine with a different os. I can't stand Palm os because it is more like PIM software than a full fledge os.

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 23:36:58 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Yours for free

A last call before I throw these in the dustbin. I still have spare for free the following :

- CD's with Psiwin 2.0 (came with 5MX) and 2.3, 2 of each

- Psiwin userguide and Psiwin 2 getting started guide

- S5 user guide

- S5MX user guide

- Psimail internet user guide (series 3)

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 10 Aug 2003 23:36:59 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: SE T610

I got myself this phone in the end. Vodaphone UK only sell 3 phones with Bluetooth which I now have in my car. I decided to switch from Nokia mainly because I had a Nokia for a good number of years and wanted a change, this phone being a good alternative.

I copied the numbers on my 6310i to my S7 and from the S7 on to my T610 without any problems. The speeddial numbers are the first 9 numbers on the list, no problems there either. Of course I still have to play around with my new phone and try out all the features, but sofar so good. I'll try and write some more in a few more days.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 11 Aug 2003 08:00

From: Rolf Vonau

Subject: Re: Analysis

Eric Lindsay wrote at Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:17:38 +0100 (> ):

> >From: Rolf Vonau

> >Subject: Analysis of subscribers

> >http://www.psioneering.co.uk/digests/analysis.html

> >Thanks to Francis for publication.

> I think thanks are due to you both for the amount

> of work involved in this.

> Alwys nice to know who is doing the most talking

> in the digest.

Hi Eric,

thank you. It was not to much work.

I copied all digest bodies in 1 word file and a small programm went through all addresses, comparing them with our database and if it found an address without the 2 country digits, it stops at bottom of this message, to see, if the subscriber wrote his country in the signature. The program wrote all informations in a Psion sheet file. Then I moved it to the PC and sorted the Excel file with different criterions.