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Epoc Digest Wed, 08 Oct 2003 Volume 01 : Number 359
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In today's Epoc Digest 11 messages:
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- Re: Freepoc
- Re: Revo battery problems
- Re: netBook Pro Symbian...
- Re: Revo battery problems
- Re: Microsoft
- not found message and loose batteries
- Re: REVO+
- Re: Transflective Screen
- Re: Microsoft
- Re: Microsoft
- phone info needed
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 16:54:09 -0500
From: U Hornstein
Subject: Re: Freepoc
Hello ,
"Itamar Engelsman itamar-at-post.com |epoc-digest/1.0-Allow|" wrote on Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:46:36 +0100 (> ):
> Thanks for giving me the contact to www.freepoc.org.
> There are several interesting programs there that have
> even been updated very recently,
You're welcome.
but the program
> "c2f109" is not mentioned on this website. A search on
> Tucows also gave a blank.
All I did was to google for c2f109 and I got several hits. I did have no problems finding it. OK, I had to "hack" the urls a little.
If you don't succeed, try www.belcl.at - mobile - Psiongraphic.
....
I just noted that I even have the thing still on my machine - its attached. Please tell me if you find new proccedings regarding contacts.
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With greetings from Germany
Ulrich Hornstein
For spam protection: Please NEVER type my mail address into a www page ('send to a friend' or similar)! Sent by MC218 (EPOC palmtop)
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:19:48 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Revo battery problems
Dear Mike,
<< *I* believe peoples problems are down to ignorance of the characteristics of NiMh batteries, particularly if they part charge the thing with the docking cradle >>
Well ... Could you explain to me what it is in the electrochemistry of NiMH batteries that makes them susceptible to this particular phenomenon and why LiIon batteries don't show it. Also why a there's a difference between a partial charge using the do king cradle and a partial charge with the power supply directly connected to the Revo?
<< Of course if Psion had the wisdom to fit Lithium Ion batteries, this wouldn't have been an issue, but at least 'our' screen cables don't break >>
I'm afraid that the screen cable plays a role in what's called the 'battery problem'.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - St. Andrews - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:19:56 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: netBook Pro Symbian...
Dear Martin,
<< I am aware of the concerns. But all things considered - not the least the total absence of silkscreen buttons on the nB Pro - I now believe that adjusting the UIQ for the netBook Pro the better and more realistic option >>
It's a perfectly understandable choice. Question is whether people had this choice in mind when they signed the petition. They may have had the idea that the move from an EPOC Release 5 machine to the Symbian OS 7 netBook Pro will be as straightforward as the move from EPOC Release 3 to EPOC Release 5. Confronted with UIQ, and the inability to install their existing applications, their reaction can very well be "That's *not* what I signed the petition for".
It reminds me of the serial cable discussion during the days of the Series 3a. People didn't like the Serial 3Link cable with its electronics pod in the middle. What they wanted was a plain and simple cable. That's what they got - Psion moved the elect onics from the pod to the motherboard of the Series 3c and Siena. So far so good, till people realised that they had to buy more than a new serial cable. Their Parallel 3Link printer cable and Cyclone diskette drive had to replaced as well. It triggered a bit of an uproar, with Psion being accused of kicking its loyal Series 3 users in the groin.
Something similar happened when people got the backlit LCD screen they'd asked for. It had been pointed out that such a screen would be a compromise between a 100% reflective and 100% backlit screen. Needless to say that quite a number of people were d sappointed with the screen of their newly purchased Series 3c. It was considered to be murky, unreadable, a disgrace, a rip off.
So ... better steel yourself for the harsh comments you'll receive when you succeed in bringing a Symbian OS 7 + UIQ based netBook Pro to market. What some people expect is continuity - what they'll get is disruption.
<< Would Psion let a device out of its door with hardware features that are not supported by the OS? I do not think so >>
That's an option for the 500 'customer special' Symbian OS 5 based netBooks Pro David had the idea of ordering from Psion Teklogix. I don't think Psion Teklogix will seriously consider manufacturing them. Still, when it *is* considered you automaticall come to such questions as "What about the USB port?". When the customer (David) accepts that the USB port will be non-functional it removes a barrier to Psion Teklogix accepting the order.
One of the companies I've worked for accepted a 'customer special' consisting of 22 instruments with double the number of alarm relays. The condition we attached to it was that the necessary printed circuit board would be mounted at the location of the standard option card slot. In other words "Don't come back to us when you later want to have one of the option cards mounted in them". The customer accepted ... and came back. Not to complain but to order three additional instruments with option card. Mea ing the customer had three locations on the plant where two instruments rather than one were mounted.
<< ... would people buy a netBook Pro which due to software limitations is essentially the same as the current netBook? >>
One of the reasons people have signed the petition is that they can longer replace a Series 5mx that's damaged beyond repair by a brand new one. The netBook, though not their device of choice, is a 'business as usual' security option to them. When the etBook's gone and replaced by a Windows CE based netBook Pro that option's gone as well.
There you have one of the inherent 'dangers' of a Symbian OS 7 + UIQ based netBook Pro. It's not a 'business as usual' replacement for a Revo (Plus), Series 5(mx), Series 7 or netBook. What has kept people from buying a PalmOS or Windows CE based devic will melt away when they can't install their stalwart applications on such a netBook Pro. When they have to change applications they might as well change to a device like Itamar's Sony Clié PEG-NX73V. David's idea of ordering 500 Series 5 based netBooks ro from Psion Teklogix is therefore not such a bad idea, despite the limitations.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Leadburn - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:20:10 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Revo battery problems
Dear Ian,
<< However, your solution to the battery issue, ie. using a 3rd party application to monitor the state of the battery, just reinforces the idea that the Revo's own battery management is poor, and can't be relied on >>
I'm sorry, but this makes a complete mockery of this discussion. ChaDis is an application that expands on the Revo's standard battery status reporting functions. Some people find ChaDis a useful tool, others don't use it because the Revo's standard fun tions are sufficient. That there's something like ChaDis doesn't imply that the Revo's functions are poor and unreliable. If that were true, we could just as well say that *any* Psion is poor and unreliable because there are third-party applications that ffer what Psion doesn't offer as standard.
<< As I said in my previous posting, I'm sure that there are many happy Revo users out there, you and Rolf being two of them, but it's also clear that many users have either completely given up on the Revo, or resorted to extreme measures to circ mvent the battery problem, such as shoving it in the freezer while it charges >>
For God's sake!!! That somebody has done some experimentation by putting a Revo in the freezer (batteries are temperature sensitive) doesn't imply that's one of things you have to do as Revo user.
<< Again, this just reinforces the argument that the Revo is flawed; if (potential) users need to know and understand how a particular type of battery works, and that they can't just charge it up when it suits them, then there is clearly a proble , which probably could have been avoided as you said, by using an alternative type of battery. >>
There you go again. I'm very sorry, Ian, but this shows that you're all too ready to jump to conclusions without giving *any* thought to what's being proposed. It's now Mike's idea, that the characteristics of NiMH batteries are the source, you're jump ng on. Without asking any questions you treat his proposal as true and use this 'truth' to build a rather nasty picture of Psion's developers.
<< Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to get at the Revo... >>
The reputation of a person doesn't only depend on what (s)he says and does but also on what's being said about him/her. People's reputations have been severely damaged by gossip and innuendo that lacked any basis in fact.
You're doing exactly the same for the Revo at this moment. What you do is equivalent to those who talk about the moral depravity of certain TV programs without having watched them. You don't own a Revo, but have heard others talk about something that's called 'The Revo battery problem'. Without having a clue about what the problem really is, you pick up anything put forward that fits the picture you've built up in your own mind : Flawed device. Now, if there's something that's "poor, and can't be relied on", to use your own words, it's this.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Leadburn - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:20:22 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Microsoft
Dear Itamar,
<< ... you agree with my idea that they don't have such a department but do try from time to time to make it more difficult for rival products. And why not ? Who says that Microsoft have to allow all rival products to work with their system ? Does a Palm program work on a PocketPC or Psion machine ? >>
You've misunderstood the point that was raised, I'm afraid. The discussion was about rival applications rather than rival operating systems. To be more precise, about the way Microsoft's operating systems division and its application division have work d together to combat the developers of competing applications.
When your business is operating systems you're effectively selling the software layer between hardware and application. It's a layer that gives applications access to the hardware (keyboard, screen, disk, serial port, etc.) and supplies a range of comm n services applications use to display dialog boxes, menu bars, etc. It's in your interest as supplier of operating systems to create a level playing field for all application developers. You don't favour one particular developer. After all, the commercia battle between two rival developers of (say) word processors that run on your operating system is not your battle.
This hasn't been the case for Microsoft as it's a developer of operating systems as well as applications running on these operating systems. The ethical thing to do is to keep the OS division separate (by an equivalent of the Iron Curtain) from the app ication division. Also, to see your application division as one of the customers of your OS division. That's not what Microsoft has done. Microsoft's OS division has worked for its application division in the latter's battle with developers of rival appli ations.
Case no. 1 - There were regular problems with Lotus 1-2-3 when Microsoft released a new version of its DOS operating system. While Microsoft's own rival spreadsheet application, Multiplan, was not effected by these new releases. In other words, install a new DOS version and your existing version of Lotus 1-2-3 became unstable but not the existing version of Multiplan. Microsoft always blamed this on the sloppy programming practices of the Lotus developers. Till it became known, by information leaked out of Microsoft, that the company made deliberate changes to DOS that had negative effects on Lotus 1-2-3. And it became known that one of the maxims of the DOS development team was "DOS isn't done until 1-2-3 won't run".
Case no. 2 - Microsoft added a range of lower-level Windows OS features that weren't published to the general developer community. The only developers who knew of these features, and could take advantage of them, were Microsoft's own application develo ers. This became known when rival developers used trace tools against Microsoft applications and found they were making system calls which couldn't be found anywhere in Microsoft's documentation. These OS features weren't mere documentation oversights. It concerned features that were key to Microsoft's Office applications in their battle with competing applications.
Case no. 3 - One of the things Microsoft wanted to do in it's web browser battle with Netscape was to make its own Internet Explorer and integral part of the Windows operating system by weaving Internet Explorer into it. Making it all but impossible to say where Windows ended and Internet Explorer began (and vice versa). This would make it an extremely tough job for Netscape's developers to come up with a web browser that could work side by side with Internet Explorer.
<< In the end Microsoft is a commercial Company like others and wants to make maximum profit >>
Time for case no. 4 - Microsoft has a bulk purchase plan for PC manufacturers who want to sell their desktop, laptop or server complete with Windows, Works, Office, Encarta and other Microsoft software. You'd expect that a PC manufacturer would be bill d for the number of devices shipped complete with Microsoft products. Problem was, they weren't. PC manufacturers were billed for the total number of PCs shipped, irrespective of the operating system and applications they were shipped with. A PC manufactu er that had shipped (say) 100,000 desktop PCs complete with IBM's OS/2 still had pay Microsoft for 100,000 Windows licenses. The manufacturers who objected were given the choice of either paying up or to lose the ability to sell their PCs complete with Mi rosoft software under the bulk purchase plan. Given that the vast majority of PCs were shipped with Microsoft software the PC manufacturers caved in and paid.
<< If Psion would have been half as commercial they might have succeeded and still be around today >>
I've only mentioned four cases. There are, unfortunately, many more cases in which Microsoft behaved in a quite anti-competitive fashion. Cases that are well documented and have been used in the court case of Federal States versus Microsoft. This court case had a rather unsatisfactory conclusion due to political pressure from the current Bush administration. There was a strong case for splitting Microsoft up into a separate company selling operating systems, a company selling desktop applications and on selling back-office server applications. Something similar to the split up of Standard Oil of America and Bell Corporation the courts ordered after their anti-trust cases. Nothing came of it as the Bush administration said it would introduce legislation hat would counter such a decision by the courts, allowing Microsoft to continue as a single company.
To say that Microsoft operates in a purely commercial fashion is therefore rather naive. Microsoft has clearly shown that it does everything, whether ethical or unethical, that works in its favour.
What's more, I very much doubt that you would have liked to see Psion/Symbian to operate in a similar fashion as described in the four above cases. It would have meant Psion/Symbian tuning EPOC in such a way that (say) Psion Money would always run fine while rivals ABP, RMRBank, DPBank and others would encounter all sorts of problem. Or that Psion Money's clear advantage over other personal finance applications would be based on a secret set of of EPOC features. Or that that Psion would pay a significan ly lower fee for EPOC and its standard applications than Geofox, Diamond, Oregon Scientific or Ericsson.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Arbroath - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:20:24 -0500
From: Hoffman, Susan
Subject: not found message and loose batteries
I know I saw this posted a while ago -- my 5mx had to be "restored," and now when I turn it on, I get a box that says "not found". I hit "continue" and it disappears (and returns to the system screen). Anyone know what's going on?
Second problem -- the AA battery case seems to be loose -- I periodically get a message that the batteries need to be replaced (when they don't), and when I look at the battery info, it flips to zero -- it comes back when I press on the sides of the ba tery hinge area. Do I finally need a repair? it's been a fairly long time, so I shouldn't complain. Does someone know the website of the repair place in Toronto?
Susan Katz Hoffman
Pepper Hamilton LLP--------------
3000 Two Logan Square
18th & Arch Streets
Philadelphia, PA 19103
Tel: 215-981-4990
Fax: 215-827-5909
e-mail: hoffmans
web address: www.pepperlaw.com
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:20:42 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: REVO+
Dear Itamar,
<< Personally I believe that when I buy a machine like a PDA I do not have to delve into the characteristics of the type of batteries that are hidden inside it >>
What makes you think that you have to do delve into battery characteristics when using a Revo, Revo Plus or Diamond Mako? Is it Mike's assertion that the characteristics of NiMH batteries are to blame for the problem some users have encountered? And wh t would response be when I say that Mike's assertion is a red herring - that the source of the problem isn't in the batteries at all?
<< As a user I want the machine to work and work properly >>
So many expectations can be hidden behind the word "properly" that it requires some sort of definition. And its' not only the purchaser who has expectations of the device. The manufacturer of the device has some expectations of the customer.
<< With a battery charger the situation is of course different >>
The only difference is that a different conductive path is used when you connect the charger directly to the Revo or connect the charger via the cradle. Note that we're not dealing with high frequency electronics in which the length and shape of the co ductor plays an important part. We're dealing with a simple DC supply. It doesn't matter at all which of the two paths you use as they connect to exactly the same input point of the Revo's battery charging electronics.
<< It is clear in my mind that some people do not have the battery problem while others do have it, just like the screen cable of the 5MX. We had about 4 5MX units in the office over the years and _never_ had to repair a screen cable. That does n t take away that when buying one the risk does exist you get one with the problem >>
What you're saying is that a number of Series 5mx's were pre-destined to suffer from screen cable failure. As you're using an analogy, the same applies to the Revo and it's so-called 'battery problem'. It means that the element of risk you refer to is imited to the purchase. It's the luck of the draw. Bad luck when the boxed Series 5mx or Revo the sales person picked out of stores is a pre-destined one. I'm very sorry, Itamar, but have to object to this quite strongly.
First, because it treats the screen cable and battery problems in an extremely simplified fashion. It turns a complex issue into a simplistic good luck / bad luck issue. This may be a description you can understand but is one that doesn't do any justic to the real situation.
Secondly, because it explains the purchaser, and subsequent user, of the device away. The Revo's so-called battery problem is something that overcomes you - something you can't influence in any way. That's certainly not the case as the way people recha ge their Revos *has* an influence.
Thirdly, because it pushes everything on the plate of the manufacturer. This goes against consumer protection legislation in several countries. No manufacturer can be held *solely* responsible for what happens with its products. The consumer has to app y due care and attention before and after the purchase. Which doesn't require that you have studied chemistry at university level and know the intricate details of the electrochemistry of the various rechargeable batteries. It does require, however, the i terest in knowing which type of rechargeable battery your handheld computer is equipped with and the best way to treat these batteries.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Arbroath - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:20:53 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Transflective Screen
Dear David,
<< I have 6 (!) Netpads in the office ... It is a great machine. Just one issue - there is no keyboard and I don't know of an add on to allow one ... >>
Below one of the snippets I collected while reading the Psion newsgroups, courtesy of Erik Sandblom.
[Quote]
External keyboard
Maybe try this! best of both worlds.
http://www.portal-pda.com/reviews/psionkeyboard/psionkeyboard.html
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A 3rd party driver that facilitiates the connection of a full-size or travelling keyboard to the Psion Series 5 and Revo.
Driver name: ntkbd.sis
Which I guess stands for NewTon KeyBoard Driver.sis
Keyboard Compatibility List (according the author of the driver):
- iBiz Keyboard
- Newton Keyboard
- Stowaway Portable Keyboard.
- Datacomp Keyboard
- GoType! Pro Keyboard.
- Genovation Travellboard keyboard.
To download the freeware driver go to: http://www.micro-cheng.com/products/ntkbd.html
Bottom left of page "Downloads" and double click on "Installation Package for ER5 Device", its a tiny download.
For an installation tutorial for a Newton keyboard go to: http://www.revoworld.com/dbShownews.asp?ID=114
I have as yet only collated the information but aim to try a folding keyboard in due course. If it works this is a neat solution for anyone that needs to write hefty articles or reports while travelling light. [Unquote]
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Ceres - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:21:01 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Microsoft
Dear Jim,
<< ... But this first Windows system was almost a straight take off of the system which Apple had on their Mac machine. In my book they copied another organisation's idea to get into the graphical interface market place ... >>
I'm sorry, the Macintosh and it's MacOS graphical operating system, Apple's claim to fame, is a copy of the pioneering work that was done at Xerox' Palo Alto Research Centre. You therefore can't say that Microsoft is the only copycat.
<< Windows is full of problems - every version of it. But they did not concentrate on the Op system ... >>
What the lovers of all things Macintosh are apt to forget is that MacOS has run for 99.99% of its life on Apple's own hardware. The 0.01% corresponding with the very short period in which Apple flirted with Mac clones. It's much easier to create a stab e operating system when you're in full control of the hardware it's running on. The vast majority of differences in interpretation between hardware and software developers are found in-house and solved in-house before release.
Microsoft doesn't have that advantage. It has an influence on hardware specifications but no control over the way manufacturers implement these specs. What's more, PCs can be highly customised which can result in the most weird and wonderful hardware c mbinations. It's impossible for Microsoft to test its operating systems against all the hardware and hardware combinations that are 'out there'. Is it strange then that Microsoft has more difficulties in supplying an operating system that's consistently s able? I don't think so. When Apple's MacOS had to run on, and work with, hardware that's for 99.99% not developed by Apple it would have the same problems.
<< They have pinched ideas from all and sundry ... >>
We wouldn't be sitting here, talking about computers, when the general advance in technology through the ages wouldn't have been based on the adoption and implementation of ideas - wherever they come from. Apple doesn't operate in a sealed bubble, gene ating the ideas, and the corresponding technologies that it uses, all by itself. Like Microsoft, it investigates ideas/technologies developed by others, adopting some and rejecting some. The core of MacOS X, for example, didn't come out of Apple but out o Carnegie Mellon University.
<< ... companies which have developed good software to run under Windows have seen Microsoft try to copy their ideas and attempt to corner their markets, pushing everyone else out where at all possible >>
Apple made the choice, also out of necessity, to limit it's software development to a number of specific areas. Apple's application portfolio is therefore smaller than Microsoft's. Which doesn't prevent Apple's applications being free from competition. Independent third-party developers can create applications to rival Apple's own. And Apple has a choice to make when one of these developers has a bright idea, implements it and is very successful with it. Apple then has the choice between coming up with omething (very) similar - in other words, a copy of the idea as implemented by Apple - or to see the sales figures and profitability of its application go down the drain. To say it differently, Apple has an interest in it's applications getting an x-perce t market share. You won't get that market share, nor maintain it, without pushing other applications aside.
<< Take Windows NT as an example. Depending on your configuration, NT on it's own might occupy 150 Mb, but the service packs have produced much more than this in repairs. Epoc is a similarly complex system to NT and together with all the ap lications software provided by Psion it occupies about 13Mb. And it works, with relatively few issues >>
I'm sorry, but this doesn't make much sense.
Windows NT has been designed to perform a number of roles. It can be the heart of a simple corporate PC but also the heart of departmental file and application server or the heart of a multi-processor scientific workstation. EPOC doesn't have to do all this - it's role is much more limited - which automatically translates into a smaller memory footprint.
Windows NT is also designed to run on and support a very wide range of hardware. EPOC doesn't have to do that and has a smaller memory footprint as a result.
Windows NT also runs on devices that are equipped with a hard disk - the cheapest form of data storage there is. I understand that current PCs have 60 GB as standard hard disk size. That's 400 times the 150 MB you're talking about. And by the time Micr soft has optimised the Windows NT code much more, reducing the memory footprint by 20 MB, the average hard disk size has increased by 20 GB. It, literally, doesn't pay for Microsoft to keep squeezing the Windows NT code until there's no redundant byte lef in it. Optimising the EPOC code, on the other hand, does pay as it runs on devices with the more expensive solid state memory and not a lot of it at that. A Psion with 400 times the storage capacity of the EPOC memory footprint would give it 5.2 GB of st rage. Such a Psion doesn't exist - most of us have 16 MB of ROM, 16 MB of RAM plus the size of their CF card. And the number of people who use a CF card of 512 MB or larger is relatively small.
<< It is just a pity that the average Windows system user doesn't appreciate there are other good systems out there (like EPOC) >>
Apple produces rather expensive gear a group of people simply can't afford or can't justify. And the company's product styling attracts as well as repels people. Somebody with a more conservative taste may consider the current iMac a 'monstrosity' (s)h doesn't want to have in his/her home. Apple's computers also have a rather limited potential for expansion and modification. Somebody with a limited budget can buy a 'simple' PC and upgrade it with the desired bells and whistles in a step by step fashion Finally, there's more choice in PCs and PC gear. It's therefore not strange that a much larger group of people goes for a Windows PC rather than an Apple.
Apple serves a specific section of the compute market as Bang & Olufsen does for HiFi and televisions. What *is* a real pity, is that people within the Apple owning community use this as a basis for looking down on Windows PC owners. They consider hemselves to be the 'intellectuals' of the computer using world and PC owners 'dumb sheep'. Something that was reinforced by Apple itself in it's 'Think Different' advertising campaign. Which may work wonders for the 'intellectual club' atmosphere. But I onder how many of these 'intellectuals' have read The Nature of Physical Law or QED by one of the people to feature prominently in the Think Different campaign; Richard P. Feynman (1964 Nobel Laureate, together with Schwinger and Tomonaga for the developm nt of Quantum Electrodynamics).
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Aberdeen - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:21:21 -0500
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: Microsoft
Dear Itamar,
<< All I am trying to say is that while it would have been nicer, there is no law or rule that states that an OS system must allow this and Microsoft have the right to try and avoid others from doing so in order to advance their own corporate obj ctives >>
You're very much mistaken as there are laws on the statute books of both the US and EC that prohibit such practices. Microsoft is allowed to sell both operating systems and applications as long as they're not tied together in such a way that competing pplication developers will always be at a disadvantage. It's not for nothing that Microsoft has been investigated by the US Federal Court and is currently under investigation by the EC Department of Competition Affairs.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Aberdeen - Scotland
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Date: 8 Oct 2003 21:24:05 -0500
From: Hoffman, Susan
Subject: phone info needed
I know own a Nokia 6610, and I notice that it has an infrared capability and a calendar feature. Can I infrared my 5mx contacts and calendar info to my phone?
Susan Katz Hoffman
Pepper Hamilton LLP--------------
3000 Two Logan Square
18th & Arch Streets
Philadelphia, PA 19103
Tel: 215-981-4990
Fax: 215-827-5909
e-mail: hoffmans
web address: www.pepperlaw.com
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