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Epoc Digest Tue, 13 Jan 2004 Volume 01 : Number 424

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In today's Epoc Digest 22 messages:

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- Re: POP3 email

- Relatabase

- Re: Multitasking

- Re: Epoc Digest V1 # 423

- Disassembling a Netbook

- Re: USB printer - no go!

- Re: OPXs & SIS-files

- Up-to-date macros

- Ebook replace macro

- Backups

- Mbook Extra Memory and Wireless Card

- Magazines

- Re: Agenda & Contacts on D

- Re: American mobile phones

- Revo plus

- Apple iPod battery problem

- MultitaskingBatches of answers, nB stabillity,

- Re: OneTel & POP3 email?

- mBook manufacturing date

- Agenda & Contacts on D, Where to put OPH files, searching into .box data files,

- 3690 and S7

- Zaurus CL-760 - now CL 860? OT

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 04:18:14 +0100

From: Klaus Gottlieb

Subject: Re: POP3 email

Dear Tom,

If I have understood your problem right, I guess it must be a well known problem.

In Account settings:

- The pop3 server for Incoming email should be where your email-account is. So don´t change this !

- The smtp server for Outgoing email should fit your internet-connection (not neccesery where your email-account is). Change that every time you use a new connection (provider) !

I found out last summer on a music course with a free internet-room. All where sitting with there personal laptops pluged in with netcables, surfing and reading email. But nobody could send email. One of the last days, a kind

person told them what to write in, as smtp server. ;>)

If you use the same internet provider at home as for your mobil phone, you don´t have to change the settings every day. Some of the small mobil phone providers uses same net and settings (even gprs) as the big (and sometimes expensive) ones with landline, so you can be lucky ...

Hope it helps ...

Greetings from

KlÅrhus, Denmark

(netBook/adsl/still working revo+ with broken screen/t68i)

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 07:35:13 +0100

From: Andy Hayes

Subject: Relatabase

Hi All

Gianluca Gallino asked about Relatabase. I must admit that I don't actually use it as I have Powerbase, but the idea seemed a good one and I knew that it would eventually come in useful for someone. I think that I can answer the questions nonetheless, although I am writing this quickly before I nip out to catch a plane to Fair Isle, so it will be brief. My netBook is in my luggage so I can't refer to it.

> what do you exactly mean by "principal" and "... records attached

> to a principal"?

> in the contacts example you mentioned, for instance, does

> principal stand for "company" perhaps?

Yes, exactly that. The record to which you would want all of the employees of that company "linked".

> 2) >>>6. Entering the Principles. When you enter the Principle

> (the Company or Record to which you wish to "attach" the

> "contacts"), start the title with a space and type in block

> capitals. This has the effect of sending the principals to the

> top of the card browser where they sort in alphabetical order.

> Enter the reference in normal type. I suggest you repeat the

> title used in the "Name:" field above. As you move down entering

> information you will see the current date already inserted in the

> "Update:" field.<<<

> where should you actually enter the "principle"? I suppose that

> this field should be at the very beginning... am I right?

> If the answer is yes, you would probably have something like the

> following sequence in your relatabase:

> Company:

> Name:

> Reference:

> Position:

> Work:

> Fax:

> Home:

> Mobile:

> Address:

> Email:

> Last Contacted:

> Updated:

> Notes:

Yes, this looks like it would work. I don't tend to use Data because I have Powerbase(!), but you could sort by a particular field if you wanted, but your way seems OK.

Glad to be finally answering a question instead of just asking them!

Andy Hayes

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 08:12:20 +0100

From: Ian Chapple

Subject: Re: Multitasking

Jim,

>>> <<The current Palm OS is not multitasking, when you move from one program to another that programs state is saved to memory which means when you return to (for example) word the document will be exactly where you left it!>>

I'm not sure if this is a function of the Palm OS or rather a convention that the Palm OS supports.

...

It's like it is programmer's choice rather than a function of Palm OS. <<<

It is, and this applies equally to EPOC. By convention, when a menu item is selected in an EPOC (OPL or C) application, when Menu is pressed again, the menu will open with the same item selected as was last used. However, at least under OPL, this is not how menus work by default; the programmer has to modify the menu call for this to work. ie: m%=menu will open the menu with the first item of the first menu selected, while m%=menu(menu%) will open the menu with the last used item selected.

This is a trivial example, but it does demonstrate that most of these *requirements* are standards, which need to be implemented (or not, on some cases) by the programmer.

Cheers, Ian.

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 08:22:03 +0100

From: Marcus von Cube

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest V1 # 423

JIm,

>Is there away to run agenda and contacts with the data files located on the Flash card so they will move with the card when I switch machines?

That's possible!

>I do know I can click on the Agenda file in the Documents folder on the flash and access Agenda on the card, but I want to access the valid agenda from the silkscreen icon.

Agenda is a "file based" application. This means, you can even open more than one file (like in Word or Sheet). Tapping the silk screen icon cycles between the open files. If Agenda is not running and you tap the icon, the file most recently opened will be opened again.

Contacts has an option to move the file to a different drive, but it will always stay in a folder

?:\System\data and be named contacts.cdb. The latter is hardcoded.

Before you switch cards you should close all apps with open files on that card to avoid crashes or corrupted files.

Have you considered using EpocSync to keep copies of the files on each machine? (Serves as a

backup, too!)

Marcus

http://www.mvcsys.de

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 08:39:51 +0100

From: Roman Frotz

Subject: Disassembling a Netbook

Folks,

in one of the previous digests some of you asked for advice how to disassemble a netbook. I found some useful information at:

http://www.symbcity.com/featureshow.php3?featureid=100015

Happy disassembling,

Roman

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 08:42:33 +0100

From: Marcus von Cube

Subject: Re: USB printer - no go!

Hi Sergio,

>Do you know if is it possible to print with a USB printer with netbook! >I have a serial->USB cable and i' like to buy a a Mini Canon printe to print my photo

That won't work for different reasons:

1) USB is a master-slave protocol. A serial/USB converter needs a PC (or Mac) as a master, a printer will always act as a slave which cannot control the converter (nor does it provide power to it).

2) Color printers depend havily on the driver software, especially when dealing with photos. Even if you can make one of the current models work with your netBook, the quality of the photos will surely disappoint you.

Marcus

http://www.mvcsys.de

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 09:10:46 +0100

From: Martin Maxwell

Subject: Re: OPXs & SIS-files

Answer to: Stephane Sage

Subject: RE: OPXs & SIS-files

>>Still I don't quite get why KMLinkWin program was under "sis" if it wasn't meant to be installed on a Psion...<<

Let's see if I can explain this in a reasonably easy to understand way. SIS is a Symbian OS (formerly known as EPOC) installation format. Apart from installing Psion applications, SIS-files are also used to install applications in things like Sony-Ericsson P800, Nokia 9210 and Siemens SX1s who all run later versions of the Symbian OS.

The root cause to your problems is that all OPXs are specifically compiled for the device they run on, or more accurately, its CPU and chipset. Psion S5mx/Revo and S7/netBook are based on the ARM7 and StrongARM 1100 respectively, and those two are *bit compatible* so the same OPX can run on both. A PC, however, is based on the Intel 86 CPUs. A Nokia 9210 is based on the ARM9 Thumb CPU, which, despite its name, is *not bit compatible* with the ARM7.

It is a bit like in the early days of railways when different countries had different distance between tracks or 'railroad gauge' to use the prevalent term. OPXs are like the wheelpairs and the OPL application is like the train. If a wheelpair is applied to a different guage than what it was designed for, the train will derail. Therefore, often when crossing borders in the old days the train would have to change its bogeys, but you did not need to change the whole train. An OPX compiled for an ARM7 will instantly derail if run on a Intel -86, e.g. a Pentium. The same happens if you run an OPX compiled for an Intel -86 on an ARM7 (which is what you did when you installed the KMlinkWin on a Psion 5mx). For this reason, there need to be different OPXs for ARM7 and StrongARM Psions (e.g. 5mx and netBook) and for Intel -86 (e.g. Psion emulator) even though the Symbian OS version is exactly the same. If I recall correctly, originally the Orient Express had to change bogeys three times betwee n London and Istanbul. Similarly, if you want to run a simple OPL application using the CONTACT.OPX (this OPX makes it possible for OPL to access the Contacts application) in a Psion 5mx, in a PC emulator and in a Nokia 9210, you will need three different OPXs.

>>>Another thing, while we are at it: could someone briefly explain what are the respective roles of OPX, OPL, SYSRAM, SYSTINFO and the like?<<<

Since Symbian decided to open source it, OPL stands for Open Programming Language. It is simply an application development tool, like Java if you will. OPXs are libraries of extensions to OPL, similar to DLLs in a PC. As the names imply, SYSRAM and SYSTINFO are OPXs which add capabilities to OPL in the area of accessing system information and managing system events.

>>>And why there were a few "unclosable" OPL standing in the running Apps window together with, say, Agenda or Data ?<<<

This one I do not understand. Are those appearing when you run KMlink or what? How do they appear?

Kind regards

Martin Maxwell

Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 14:24:47 +0100

From: Grant Mearns

Subject: Up-to-date macros

Does anyone have an up-to-date archive of macros? In particular, I am looking for a macro that will open an HTML file attachment in Opera.

Regards

Grant

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 14:24:55 +0100

From: Grant Mearns

Subject: Ebook replace macro

A couple of weeks ago the following macro was posted to automate the task of adding line breaks to text:

PROC Macro:

LOCAL S$(1)

WHILE 1

SendKey:("Ctrl+f")

SendKey:("Fn+

SendKey:("Enter")

S$=""

S$=Copy$:

IF S$<& BREAK

ENDIF

SendKey:("Enter")

ENDWH

ENDP

Is it possible to search for the "Tab" character rather than tcharacter with OPL/Macro5? I've attempted a few possibilities but to no avail...

Many thanks

Grant

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 14:57:51 +0100

From: Peter Burke

Subject: Backups

Anyone know a fix for my MC218 backup problem?

It starts backing up, then says 'There was a problem with the main backup folder because the file has been opened on the Psion' or words to that effect. A soft reset has failed to resolve the problem. Any thoughts?

Peter

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 17:39:12 +0100

From: Woody B

Subject: Mbook Extra Memory and Wireless Card

Bought an Mbook last spring adding to my collection (5Classic and 5MX). I really like the Mbook and have considered adding the extra 32MB memory chip and a wireless card. I'm in the US and it seems more places are offering wi-fi access. Have a VW Eurovan Camper, doing some traveling in the US and wanted input if the Mbook w/wi-fi would be useful on trips to collect email. Currently have a 56k Gold card for phone connecting, but would like addtional flexability. --Looking for info on good places to buy the memory, wireless card (best/easiest brand to make work), and any instructions, experiences on how to add the memory and make the wireless card work. Thanks, Wood

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 18:31:12 +0100

From: J. Hamwee

Subject: Magazines

Is anyone in the London UK area interested in the latest issues of Palmtop magazines (free of charge)?

These are:Palmuser (the previous name) issues 6 to 11 and Palmtop user (the current name) issues 1 to 6.

Regards

Joseph Hamwee

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 19:34:43 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Agenda & Contacts on D

Howdy!

Jim Watson-Gove wrote (> ):

> The biggest problem is upgrades to Agenda and

> Contacts.

> Is there away to run agenda and contacts with the

> data files located on the Flash card so they will

> move with the card when I switch machines? I

> suspect not.

In Contacts, go to Menu - Tools - Preferences and chose D: as the Disk for contacts store on both machines. I'm not sure what'll happen if there's already a Contacts file on D when you do this. Maybe you'll have to do the machine with the oldest version of the file first, then delete the file, move the card to the updated machine and do it again. After that, it should work fine on both machines.

Agenda, like many EPOC programs will start up with the last file it had open, so the Agenda file can be kept anywhere you like. The only thing you have to remember is that if you launch Agenda on either machine without the disk in the drive, it'll create a new empty file on C:. If the NetBook has a "Today" screen under System like the Revos, you can go to Menu- Preferences and tell it which is your default Agenda file.

> Has anyone had problems, mechanical or other, from

> using drive D for primary data storage.

I've been doing so for years with no problems. I keep everything I can on D to leave as much working memory as possible on C. The only thing I don't keep on D is the Mail folder. I don't know about the netBooks, but keeping the Mail folder on D on a 5ive can land you in big trouble if the battery runs down while you're downloading your e-mail.

The problem is that the Psion uses a lot of power when the IR or RS232 port is active, and writing to CF also uses a lot of power. If the battery level drops too low for writing to CF while you're halfway through downloading e-mails, your mail Index file as well as whatever e-mail it was saving at the time will become corrupted. This happened to me a couple of times until I realised what was happening and moved the folder back to C.

You will problaly have to copy the up to date Mail folder to the D: drive before moving the CF and then copy it from the CD back to C on the other machine. If the netBook doesn't have the problem with the power dropping too low for writing to the CF, you might be able to use Email with the folder on D on the netBook and only copy it back and forth on the mx.

You should be able to install any software you want to use on both computers on D, except for those programs that come in different flavour for the netBook and 5mx. Install those on C on either machine, or on E: on the netBook.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Lucky is he for whom the belle toils.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°02.83'N 16°42.89'W

Los Cristianos, Tenerife

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Spain: +34 620520079

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 19:34:52 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: American mobile phones

Howdy!

Darryl Kempster wrote (> ):

> I have just secured a year's contract with Lord of

> the Dance

Oh, you lucky SOD, travelling with all those pretty Irish girls!

> Will have to get a US mobile

> phone contract when I get over there next week so

> wanted to ask if anyone had any recommendations on

> networks or handsets? My R520m is triband so will

> work over there but do you have to buy a handset

> when you get a SIM card? And which network has the

> most coverage?

I'd very much like to get this information as well, so unless anyone has strong objections, I suggest keeping it on the list. After all, it seems a large percentage of us Psioneers are travellers of some sort.

What I have been told is that there is no such thing as a mobile phone network that covers the whole USA, but I hope this is wrong. I have this information from European yachts that have cruised the intracoastal waterway where you cross several state borders.

Owen

Thought for the day:

In software systems it is often the early bird that makes the worm.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°02.83'N 16°42.89'W

Los Cristianos, Tenerife

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Spain: +34 620520079

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 19:47:41 +0100

From: J. Hamwee

Subject: Revo plus

For delivery in the London UK area, one Revo plus bought as a backup and never used, with manual and all the coresponding bits and pieces.

Price minimum £ 80.00 payable to the Great Ormond Street Hospital.

Also one HP Jornada 690 same price.

Any interest?

Joseph Hamwee

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 21:07:17 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Apple iPod battery problem

Well, it is not ONLY Psion that have battery problems. Just read in the Times in the UK this morning that Apple have a problem with their iPod that holds 10,000 songs that the battery life is only 18 months. In the beginning they advised users to throw it away at the end of the battery life which created an uproar in the USA (see http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com). Now they changed policy and users can either extend the warranty for $ 59.- or order a battery replacement for $ 99.-. At least they saw their mistake and addresses the matter.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 21:07:24 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: MultitaskingBatches of answers, nB stabillity,

Answer to: David Lir

Re.: Multitasking - Interestingly enough in principle the Palm OS *can* support multitasking as I can listen to music on my Clie and at the same time do something else. Why it has not been implemented more I don't know.

Re. Batches of answers - It will be hard for the operators to split your messages in batches. We typically download all messages and have the digest program run over the complete batch of messages. We would have to stop in the middle, reset and start again and keep your messages without deleting them with the other messages. Furthermore, it would create difficulties when switching operators. Could you please try and batch the messages yourself ? Thanks in advance.

Answer to: Alan Morris

Re. nB stabillity - Are you sure you can copy all programs from a S7 to a nB ? Are there not differences in version and compatibillity problems with programs ? You might have copied a file you should not have copied.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 12 Jan 2004 22:43:34 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: OneTel & POP3 email?

Howdy!

Can't remember if anyone has replied to this, so I'm replying off list.

robertsont wrote (> ):

> for some reason I am able to send pop3 email from

> my psion 7 using my lineone dial up but not using

> my onetel dial up. Is there a known reason for

> this? I change nothing but switch ISP in the 'to

> internet service' box.

There's no such thing as _sending_ POP3 email. POP3 is a protocol for _receiving_ e-mail.

The protocol for sending e-mail from the EPOC Email program is SMTP. Most SMTP servers won't allow you to send e-mails unless you are actually connected to the Internet Service Provider the SMTP server belongs to. You need to open Menu-Tools-Account settings in Email for your account and change the SMTP server under "Outgoing". SMTP servers don't give a hoot what you put in Email address under "Account", so you can still send (or receive) from any account you like whichever ISP you connect to.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Get your facts first... then you can distort 'em as much as you please.

- Mark Twain

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°07.85'N 15°25.66'W

Las Palmas, Gran Canaria

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Spain: +34 620520079

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 13 Jan 2004 00:02:03 +0100

From: Paula1323

Subject: mBook manufacturing date

Hi, My MnBook serial date is xxxx850xxxx. It was purchased from Sita in March 2003.

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Date: 13 Jan 2004 00:05:50 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Agenda & Contacts on D, Where to put OPH files, searching into .box data files,

Answer to: Jim Watson-Gove

Re.: Agenda & Contacts on D - The Agend ayou can surely use from the D disk, just do Menu -> More -> Save as and save it to the D disk. Close the Agenda and open it by double clicking on the Agenda file on the D disk. Contacts I am not sure, but you could try and copy the file to the same directory on the D disk and delete it on the C disk and see if it works. Anyhow, do a back-up first to be on the safe side !

Answer to: Marcus von Cube

Re. Where to put OPH files - The file was indeed missing. I sent it to her and received confirmation all is working well. For sake of good order, "macro.oph" needs to sit in the Macro folder.

Answer to: Gianluca Gallino

Re. searching into .box data files - Why don't you simply use the program "Global find" ? It will search the files you require for you on any string in the files.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 13 Jan 2004 09:30:00 +0100

From: "Lars Hesselholdt"

Subject: 3690 and S7

Hi Rolf,

I know you from all your fantastic psion writings on the net. I wonder if you could help me. I'm thinking of getting an old v3690 to connect with my series7 and a lot of places I see that the famous Brunsting list says that it can be connected by ir, but all the sites about the phone says that it has no ir at all. That goes for a lot of the others there to - am I overlooking something - do I need some convertor or something.

Thanks a lot

Lars Hesselholdt

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Date: 13 Jan 2004 10:43:32 +0100

From: Wong Koi Hin

Subject: Zaurus CL-760 - now CL 860? OT

Does anyone know if the CL-760 has been renamed as the CL-860? Or is it an upgrade?