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Epoc Digest Tue, 10 Feb 2004 Volume 01 : Number 444
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In today's Epoc Digest 19 messages:
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- Re: Euro symbol
- Re: Euro symbol
- RE: Timelog
- Re: View HTML mail (again!)
- Palmlink v.90 Modem, different handys
- Gold Card,
- GPRS card, Keyboard mapping, the third pin, viruses.
- Re : Macro5; Re: Beware of passLockers (2 Owen)
- Re: Spam replacement for n-Dream?
- Re: Recording Macros - not only Macro5!
- Re: TimeLog vs. 5Time
- Re: Missing control panel icon
- Re: Netpad questions
- Re: Spam replacement for n-Dream?
- Re: Viruses on EPOC - Not yet!
- Re: internet control panel
- CronTab,
- PSION Leaving Symbian
- XJ Mail
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 09:14:20 +0100
From: KL
Subject: Re: Euro symbol
One way to find out: anyone with a Psion5, I can mail you a non-converted Psion Word file from my 5mx and you can see whether the Euro character shows on a Psion5.
If not, I guess there will be no way. If yes, you could copy the character from this file whenever you need it?
Greetings
Karsten.
Schkopau
Germany
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004
From: Rolf Vonau
Subject: Re: Euro symbol
"Liebmann, Karsten (KL)" wrote at Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:14:20 +0100 (> ):
> mail you a non-converted Psion Word file from my
> 5mx and you can see whether the Euro character
> shows on a Psion5.
Hi Karsten,
I fear there is no way to show the Euro sign on the screen. On the S5mx the Euro sign is included in it's own character set at the place # 128. On the S5C this place is empty.
--
Best Regards
Rolf
Munich
http://home.arcor.de/rhvonau/index.htm
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 15:31:16 +0100
From: joanne cook
Subject: RE: Timelog
Answer to Andy Hayes:
"...I have been testing out TimeLog and 5Time to see which best fits my needs. They are both good except that 5Time's print preview looks like it will print beyond the page margins in certain conditions when printing to PDF. It also only works in letterbox mode on a netBook. TimeLog is so crippled as not to allow you to print in the unregistered version. I need to print 2 pdf files for the two departments for which I work that shows start and finish times on which days and hopefully a total duration.
Is there anyone on the list who is using TimeLog who also has PDFPrinter installed and can tell me if it will produce what I want. I can't ask the author as he seems to have disappeared off the web, so how I am going to register it I am unsure at the moment!..."
I ummed and aahed over timelog for a long time as I too wasn't sure how to register it, but in the end I did, about a year ago, via regnet, and received a code by email within a few days (can't remember exactly how long). It is still listed on there, although the two websites listed for the author don't work.
When I saw your question I installed pdfprinter on my psion and everything seemed to work just fine, there are a few options for customising the printable version, such as which columns you'd like, and their widths. The default selections for columns seemed to produce exactly what you asked for, in a pretty basic table with a total duration at the bottom (showing the total number of hours worked in the week regardless of what project/department they were for). Printing the results of the activity screen rather than the details screen gave me a rundown of the number of hours worked per activity, but not the start and finish times. The only problem with that screen was that in filter mode, it printed *all* the activites, including a long list with zero hours against them!
Hope this is of some help,
Jo
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 16:00:52 +0100
From: Daniele Squarci
Subject: Re: View HTML mail (again!)
Alan Morris wrote: >>When I tap on a file with the Opera icon, I get the following at the bottom of the Opera screen:-
file://localhost/D:/E-mail/Attach.........
I don't know, but try adding 'localhost/' before the C:\ as it _might_ work. Note that Opera uses '/' and not '\' as EPOC does.<<
Grazie Alan! Adding localhost/ and changing the backwards slash to forward did the trick! The macro must originally have been written for Web and had to be adapted to Opera's quirks!
Ciao
Daniele Squarci - Italy
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 20:56:03 +0100
From: Gernot Gaier
Subject: Palmlink v.90 Modem, different handys
Hello fellow Psionists,
Sorry for posting this again, but no answer so far. In Epoc Digest #433 I posted the following questions: 1. Is the Nokia 3510i “Psion-friendly” (connection via IR etc.) ? 2. Do you know the correct settings for the connection for the Revo of a friend with Samsung SGH-V200 ? 3. And also the settings for Nokia 3510i (if Psion-friendly) with a 5mx(pro) ?
4. Can I connect to the Internet via a “Palmlink V.90 Modem”, and what cables / adapter do I need ?
In Epoc Digest #438 Peter Rand posted about his “dead” Palmlink v.90 Modem.
Maybe Peter Rand or Rolf Brunsting has got some information/settings for me ? (Private Mail ?)
Thanks in advance, Gernot Gaier
P.S. The last digest came rather crippled to my mailbox and the upper part missing ...
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 22:15:32 +0100
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Gold Card,
Answer to: Alan Morris
Re.: Gold Card - Why don't you just buy a small adaptor from the RJ-11 USA plug to the BT plug ? They are just a few pounds and come in handy.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 9 Feb 2004 23:36:19 +0100
From: Trygve Henriksen
Subject: GPRS card, Keyboard mapping, the third pin, viruses.
Greetings!
Gianluca Gallino wrote:
> >>>Did any of the dear old psion fellows succeed in using a
> Vodafone GPRS (air)card in a (even old) nB?<<<
> I have been successfully using a GPRS vodafone connect card in my
> netBook for 4 months now. it is actually a rebranded Option Globetrotter
> and I amusing it with "ispwriter.opo", which I downloaded from PT site.
Let me guess; you have a 'post september' model netBook?
The last I heard from the Option techies, this card draws slightly more than the 750mA the older netBooks can deliver, when running at full bandwidth.
(This will cause it to lock up and possibly reset when it doesn't get enough power. Supposedly the reason for the updated netBook)
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Owen H. Morgan wrote:
>> Fn+key as suggested by Andrew is one possibility,
>> which I use on my MC218. But it is a bit
>> cumbersome if you have to use it in every second
>> word, so I would like to avoid as far as possible.
> That is what I have set up with Key Mapper on my Revo and 5mx.
I'm using Keyboard Layouter by Bodo Maass
(www.pagerealm.com/bodo the last time I visited, ages ago)
It's a 16KB .exe file. (Don't know how large Key Mapper is)
> It takes a little getting used to, but I find that pressing Fn+j for "æ"
> on my Revo has become second nature and doesn't hamper my
> typing speed.
I'm hopeless at typing on the Revo keyboard, but at the netBook keyboard, those presses are now so ingrained that I don't notice them qny more.
> I remember long ago that someone had come up with a way of
> circumventing the password by installing something on the D: (CF)
> drive and I also remember that someone had come up with a way
> of preventing this from happening. I can't remember the details though.
The security loophole.
Actually, it's a EPOC design feature...
When the OS starts(either a cold or normal reset), it will search for the necessary files first on C:, then on D: and so on until it reaches Z: (the ROM)
It was made this way to easier patch the system...
So, to break in all you had to do was to place a hacked copy of a system file, having to do with password protection on a CF, insert it and reset the machine, and when it booted it loaded the hacked version instead of the one in the ROM.
The 'fix', I believe was a similar file, but placed on C: so that it would be loaded instead. (No, you can't copy the file from Z: as they are built to 'execute in place' while files on C: and D: aren't, so the format is different)
Marcus von Cube wrote:
> In newer houses, the three wires (live, neutral, ground) are wired to
> the central fuse box. Each fuse (actually interruptor of 16A) is wired
> to a group of rooms or a single room (kitchen, bathroom), sometimes
> even a single socket (e. g. the washing machine). The ground wires
> can be wired directly to neutral or to a special protective circuit, called
Do you have any idea of who decided to call one wire for 'neutral'?
(May possibly be Edison who caused that idiocy, as he used DC. It was Nicolas Tesla who pioneered AC systems)
This is AC we're talking about!
Grab hold of any one of them, then a grounded object like a water pipe.
I would NOT recommend connecting the ground to the 'neutral'...
> "FI-Schutz" (FI = "Fehlerstrom", erronous current(?)). This interruptor
> cuts of the supply if any voltage is detected between neutral and
> ground. The current to trigger this is only a few mA.
Please DO NOT DO THIS YOURSELF. this is only to be done by authorised technicians.
A quick note, 20mA can be deadly...
(It WILL kill a horse, though, particularly if it has metal horse-shoes)
No, the voltage doesn't matter...
My uncle used to run a farm, and the electric fences he used were rated at 5000V, and I'm still alive...
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Martin Maxwell wrote:
> Thanks for a very comprehensive view about the possibility of viruses
> on EPOC. The only weakness I can see in your article is that you
> ignore newer versions of EPOC and the risk for flow-back of viruses
> created for Symbian OS v6 (herein "ER6") and Symbian OS v7 (herein
> "ER7") to ER5. The OS kernel in ER5, ER6 and ER7 is *almost
> identical* - the change of name from EPOC to Symbian cannot
> remove this fact. And similar to ER5 Psions, the ER6 and ER7
> machines are also using, albeit with some variations, the ARM
> instruction code set. Therefore, a virus developed to explore
> weaknesses in, say, a Nokia 6600 or a Sony Ericsson P900, might
> cause a problem for an ER5 machines, although I agree the risk is
> very low.
Nope...
The executeables are different.
They may be 'almost alike' but they have different headers, different processor optimisation, and possibly, calls to OS services that an ER5 machine can't supply.
The S5/S5mx/Revo/Geofox/Osaris all use an ARM 7100 processor, but the netBook/S7/netPad uses a StrongARM processor. They're 'code compatible' because the StrongARM contains all the 7100 chip's internals, in addition to a few new bits and pieces.
Newer machines run Xscale, I think.
For that you need to recompile the executeables.
> From 5mx Pro and onwards, these ROMs have almost exclusively
> been Flash ROMs, so the most dangerous risk, of course, is that
> malicious code simply erases or corrupts the Flash ROM. This could
> potentially happen in a Nokia 3660 just as well as in a Psion netBook.
Usually, the Flash ROM is protected by a 'lock'. This may only be 'opened' by a hard reset, and may be locked again by a timer a few seconds later.
> There is a possible and real threat that code could be programmed in
> such a way that it can run on several versions of the EPOC/Symbian OS.
There IS one out there right now...
It's the 'GPL Virus', and it can target ALL OS'es...
It onsists of a mail with instructions:
1. Resend message to everyone in your address list.
2. Please delete a random number of files in the system area of your computer.
3. Reboot...
I konw of a few people stupid enough to do just that...
After all, they've deleted important files from their computer before, just because someone they knew sent them a mail telling them to beware of a 'dangerous new virus that scrambles your disk in seconds, and which the anti-virus companies can't yet stop...'
:-)
Trygve
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 00:41:19 +0100
From: Jack
Subject: Re : Macro5; Re: Beware of passLockers (2 Owen)
Hi Owen,
1- >..To use macros, you need a macro launcher....<<<
RE Some of the so called "macros" are in fact plain opo not needing any launcher
ex ispwriter.opo; datim.opo; mbmview.opo; Switchdico.opo.. to name just a few.
One can also use Runmacro from Mario Collado. It's a small app, much lighter than any other "launcher" and very convenient if memory space is an issue.
2- >>Macro5, which AFAIK is the only one that allows you to record keystrokes to create your own macros....<<<
RE Can't QuickMac 1.0 (1999 from JulianToler) record your own macro with any of the 5 or 7 existing "launchers"?
Just wondering
3->>>...beware of if you redifine your keyboard. If you have redifined the unshifted values of some of your keys and chosen to use your alternate layout on startup, you may find it impossible to enter your password, and the only way to regain access to your Psion may be a hard reset!
I remember long ago that someone had come up with a way of circumventing the password by installing something on the D: (CF) drive and I also remember that someone had come up with a way of preventing this from happening. I can't remember the details though.<<<
RE : Was it57 on Sat, 24 Aug 2002; from Jan.Walke ?
Subject: RE: NUMLOCK on Series7/netBooks
>>>>>This is for Itamar and other series7/netBook users. If you use a password when you switch on your 7/nBook you may someday find yourself locked out and in a panic as to how to access your data. If, prior to the last shutdown, you had been using NumLock; or, if you somehow inadvertantly activated it without knowing it, you could find yourself stressed out because, when you enter your password the next time you turn it on, it won't work!
The answer, of course, is to turn the Psion on and then press the "Shift" + "Menu" keys, and THEN enter your password--it should then work.<<<<<
Beware and stay confident...
Jack
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 06:50:00 +0100
From: Jan R Gustafsson
Subject: Re: Spam replacement for n-Dream?
Kevin Collins wrote at 14 Jan 2004 16:51:55 +0100 in Epoc Digest V1 # 425 (4)
> Also, any ideas on a possible replacement? Not
Catching up on my Digest reading, so this may be late but...
I also used nDream but moved to the Danish Spamache (www.spamache.com). I'm very happy with this service and I find that it is almost 100% proof. There is a small cost but IMO it is well worth it.
On changing of e-mail address; maybe I'm a pessimist but there are so many intricate ways to spy for e-mail addresses on the Internet today so I don't find it worth the trouble. Just the fact that you have to inform all your e-mail buddies of a new address (by e-mail?!) can be enough to make it known for spammers.
Best regards,
Jan G
Stockholm, Sweden
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 08:06:26 +0100
From: Marcus von Cube
Subject: Re: Recording Macros - not only Macro5!
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:15:34 +0000, Itamar Engelsman wrote:
>The original one was Macro5, which AFAIK is the only one that allows you to record keystrokes to create your own macros.
This is not quite correct. Assistant by Mario Collado has the same feature.
Marcus
http://www.mvcsys.de
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 08:10:57 +0100
From: ketil
Subject: Re: TimeLog vs. 5Time
> From: Ing. Michael Asteriou >
> I just tried to tell Andy Hayes about another time-logging-software > which I use since I had my first Psion 3a ...Log-It!
>
> Unfortunately the web-site where it used to be available
> www.pelicansoft.com is now some kind of
> "telling-the-future-by-interpreting-the-bible-and-by-the-way-the-end-of-days > -is-coming"-site
>
> Does anybody know, if LogIt is available somewhere else?
Well, I found LogIt when looking for time logging software almost three
years ago, but already back then the demo version on Pelican's site had
long expired, and upon contacting Pelican I was told they'd stopped making EPOC software, and I *think* it was said that the person familiar with
that product had left, and there was very little chance of there ever
being a new demo available (and thus also no further development).
I didn't want to spend money on a product for which there was little
chance of getting support, so in the end I started on a project of my own. That project never really got anywhere though, mostly because of first
being swamped in "real" work, and then changing jobs and losing the need
for the project.
-K
--
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it,
doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 08:26:37 +0100
From: Marcus von Cube
Subject: Re: Missing control panel icon
Chester,
>Modem, dialing, control panels are present, but I'm unable to find "internet" anywhere. Any ideas what's gone wrong?
First suggestion: do a hard reset and check again!
Second suggestion: The icon is probably ther but you don't see it. My 5mx has scroll bar on the bottom of the panel. Move around in the control panel with the keyboard (arrow keys or simply 'i') and navigate to the icon.
Third suggestion: Look for the program 'Internet.cpl' in Z:\System\Controls. It should reside there.
Marcus
http://www.mvcsys.de
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 09:09:56 +0100
From: PRAR
Subject: Re: Netpad questions
>Date: 31 Jan 2004 13:32:58 +0000
>From: Timothy H.D. Williams
>Subject: Netpad questions
>I have just bought a Netpad and am delilghted with it. Why on
>earth didn't Psion bring out a lighter model to compete with
>the Palm.
Welcome to the fold.
>5: my machine tells me the backup battery needs servicing
>but the back up level (0.8V) seems to be running at 25%.
>Does this mean the backup battery is functioning effectively?
>Short of sending the machine to Psion, is there any way to
>replace the backup battery?
I've had to send mine back to Teklogix for repairs. POS can't fix them. Getting an RMA was rather longwinded - basically you have to go through a re-seller to get one.
Whilst it's away I've asked for a Software update.
PRAR
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 11:10:34 +0100
From: Kevin Collins
Subject: Re: Spam replacement for n-Dream?
Hi folks...
To Jan R Gustafsson:
> I also used nDream but moved to the Danish Spamache > (www.spamache.com). I'm very happy with this service and > I find that it is almost 100% proof. There is a small
> cost but IMO it is well worth it.
> On changing of e-mail address; maybe I'm a pessimist but > there are so many intricate ways to spy for e-mail
> addresses on the Internet today so I don't find it worth > the trouble. Just the fact that you have to inform all
> your e-mail buddies of a new address (by e-mail?!) can
> be enough to make it known for spammers.
Hi Jan. I have already discovered Spamache thanks to advice here from Trygve and, after taking the free trial, I was impressed and signed up. Well worth it IMHO also. Re changing e-mail address, I agree: I couldn't be bothered to keep changing, with all that it would entail; I think I would then feel that the spammers had won!
--
Regards,
Kevin [Cork, Ireland]
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 12:12:25 +0100
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: Viruses on EPOC - Not yet!
Howdy!
Philip S. Adkins Potter wrote (> ):
> Trojans are programmed objects embedded in
> documents and the document software runs them when
> the document is opened (they're like macros in
> many ways).
From The Oxford English Dictionary (courtesy of TomeRaider):
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Trojan Horse n:
1. a hollow wooden horse said to have been used by the Greeks to enter Troy.
2. a person or device planted to bring about an enemy's downfall.
3. Computing - a program designed to breach the security of a computer system while ostensibly performing some innocuous function.
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Trojans in computing have been around since long before it was possible to distribute malicious code in a document. As previously mentioned, I was almost caught by one in the late eighties which attempted to hard format my harddisk. Unlike a virus which infects other files to make them nasty and/or replicates itself, the Trojan simply does something nasty in the background while the user runs the application it is packaged in.
In some cases the Trojan will perform its mischief every time the application is run, in other cases the base application will work like normal for weeks or even months before the nasty strikes either at a set time or at random. This has the "advantage" that if the base application is useful, it'll spread amongst more users before anyone is aware there is a problem, so it will hit more systems.
A Trojan can either be distributed in a purpose built package (like the original wooden horse in Troy), or the malicious code can be hacked into an existing and useful application like in my case, the DOS utility MAPMEM. In this case, the malicious code was really simple. It consisted of one single BIOS call. I don't know exactly what triggered it, as it I had used the application for several weeks before it struck. It could have been random, or maybe it reacted to a certain set of circumstances.
Someone could, for instance get hold of a copy of a widely used EPOC application like Macro5, RevTran it, insert their malicious code and release it into the wild as a new improved version. Another way of distributing a Trojan would be to hack a shareware application to remove the limitations of the unregistered version and insert the malicious code at the same time. Most amateur OPL programmers would be capable of this. If the malicious code was run at a predetermined or random date, it could spread far and wide in the EPOC community before anyone realized that particular version of the software was nasty.
Purpose written wrappers for Trojans tend to be much simpler and can do thingas like show the user a cartoon, a pornographic video clip or something equally simplistic. As most users would be quickly bored by this, it would have to lauch the malicious code in the background the first time the Trojan was run.
> But most EPOC machines have their Operating System
> in ROM so if there are any such nasties found
> running a reset, hard if need be, will stop them
> anyway.
But a soft reset would not clear it. If you had to do a hard reset to get rid of it, the author of the Trojan or virus would have acheived what he set out to do, namely bring your system down. This could be a major nuisance or a total catastrophy depending on the age of your backup and the distance between your Psion and the machine the backup is on. I don't backup to the PC that often, but feel reasonably safe with EpocSynced files on both the Revo and 5mx. Of course, if the Revo which I use most of the time crashed, my first reaction would be to turn to the 5mx. If the Trojan was activated by the date, the next thing that might happen was that the mx crashed too. Oops!
> But it is far less likely that any malevolent
> software will be written and distributed for ER5
> (and earlier) than any subsequent platform.
I tend to agree with this, but as I said before, whilst a real virus would be highly unlikely, it would be very simple to write a Trojan for EPOC. As far as I can see, there's nothing at all preventing an application from doing anything it likes with the files and folders on an EPOC computer. The Trojan would be either a small, seemingly useful or entertaining EPOC application that does nasty things in the background or a doctored version of a well known and respected EPOC application.
I'll finish with the definition from Hutchinsons Encyclopaedia, again courtesy of Tomeraider:
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Trojan
In computing, a program that looks as though it will do something entertaining or useful but actually does something else, such as reformatting the user's hard disc. Trojans are named after the Trojan horse in Greek mythology. A virus is not a Trojan, but inserting a virus into another program - such as a virus checker - would make that program a Trojan.
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Owen
Thought for the day:
If all is not lost, where is it?
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 92053097
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 12:12:36 +0100
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: internet control panel
Howdy!
Chester Choi wrote (> ):
> Acquired a new 5 mx via ebay, but my attempts to
> access email and internet server have been stymied
> by lack of internet control panel on the machine.
Did you by any chance restore the backup from a 5ive classic to the mx? The old Series 5 didn't have any Internet applications built in, so these were loaded from the CD. If you attempt to install the S5 Internet bits on a 5mx or put them on the machine as part of a restore from a 5ive, it will mess things up on the mx. There are sites on the net giving advice on how best to transcend :o) from a 5ive to a 5mx.
As an alternative, are you sure what you've got really is a 5mx and not the last surviving 5ive Classic in captivity? It could even be a 5ive in a 5mx shell. Does it have (at least) 16mB of memory? Go to system and hit Menu-Information-Machine. It should say Type "SERIES5mx", or IIRC in the case of a few early ones, "SERIE5mx".
Owen
Thought for the day:
Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain: +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 92053097
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 13:02:51 +0100
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: CronTab,
Answer to: Philip S. Adkins Potter
Re.: CronTab - I think most of us agree with you and not only out of selfish reasons as I said that I live with CronTab and bug for many years now and will succeed doing so many more years (I hope). However, in the end it is up to Chris and his conscience and I think we should leave it at that.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 13:14:49 +0100
From: Caspar Lam
Subject: PSION Leaving Symbian
Hello all-
I'm not sure if this was already posted but I think it warrants attention.
http://www.symbian.com/press-office/2004/pr040209c.html
PSION has decided to its shares of Symbian to Nokia.
There's more at: http://ww6.investorrelations.co.uk/psion/ListPress.shtml
(Psion's Press Centre)
So finally PSION has decided to divorce itself completely with the last remaining relative of EPOC machines.
Cheers,
Caspar
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Date: 10 Feb 2004 14:33:37 +0100
From: Jim Watson-Gove
Subject: XJ Mail
Peter,
<<Sure, it's no problem sending attachments with XJMail. I played around with the program quite a bit last year, and here are my notes on how to use the app (I've included more information to cover other questions you may have):>>
Can XJMail handle BCC on ISPs other than CompuServe (Earthlink.net, specifically)?
I suspect not but am eternally hopeful.
jim - port townsend
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