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Epoc Digest Wed, 18 Feb 2004 Volume 01 : Number 450
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In today's Epoc Digest 22 messages:
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- Digest news
- Woops, Teklogix, Stylus, CronTab fix,
- spanish # 449 (2)
- RE- Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook and Lunch
- Re: Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
- Re: Scandinavian characters again
- Re. Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
- Re: DIC
- Re: Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
- Re: Thought for the day
- T610 and screen cables
- Spanish
- Re: DIC
- Potter, Psion, Linux
- Thoughts....
- 5mx Not Recognising CF card "Disk not present"
- New Psions with Linux in Q3?
- Reply to Antony Booth
- Re: Backups, Thought for the day, CronTab fix
- Ex-Shareware List, "going" rate, Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook, Thought for the
- S7 screen calibration,
- mBook embleme
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 14:40:08 +0000
From: Epoc Digest
Subject: Digest news
Hello,
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 15:28:23 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Woops, Teklogix, Stylus, CronTab fix,
Answer to: Alan Morris
Re.: Woops - I know, I helped out Rolf who had a problem sending the digest and forgot to change the "from" address. Sorry for the confusion.
Re. Teklogix - From their website, "Psion Teklogix is a global provider of solutions for mobile computing and wireless ddata collection". The only product shown on the first page is the new netBook Pro. However, look a the righthand side an you will see their market, solutions for airports, automotive, cold chain, field service, etc. etc. I don't think they are venturing into the PDA market again, sorry to say.
Answer to: A. Bernard Olij
Re. Stylus - Which Psion ?
Answer to: Chris S Handley
Re. CronTab fix - Great that you found a way to help us users out and i am sure all CronTab users on this forum will be greatful to you. Thanks !
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 17:28:57 +0000
From: vlad a
Subject: spanish # 449 (2)
> Epoc Digest wrote on 16.2.2004 17:03 Uhr:
> suggestions for EPOC stuff that would come in handy Look at:
http://www.memoware.com/
for Spanish, and Spanish translation. Besides the Speeches of Fidel Castro, The Bible in Spanish etc. you will find a few bilingual dictionaries in various formats including one in TR format (ca. 1,8 MB) and any number of e-books (mostly free).
best,
vlad a.
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 17:33:21 +0000
From: Woody B
Subject: RE- Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook and Lunch
In the Control Panel, go to International Settings. I had to manually enter $ and Dollar, but it works.
Last week I had a delightful lunch with Jim and his wife, Eleanor. We had a fun time talking about our Psions, and the area we live. First time I ever talked to a live Psion-persons. Eleanor is really suffering the loss of her 5MX, she would love to find a replacement. Fortunately I didn't bring mine to lunch or I fear I would have been mugged in the parking lot for it. WoodyB
>Jim Watson-Gove, Asked....
When I use sheet on my Malaybook, i see pounds rather than dollars. I can't seem to find a preference setting to change it. Is here one short of changing the OS (not that bothered by it)?<
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 19:38:08 +0000
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
Howdy!
Jim Watson-Gove wrote (> ):
> When I use sheet on my Malaybook, i see pounds
> rather than dollars. I can't seem to find a
> preference setting to change it. Is here one
> short of changing the OS (not that bothered by
> it)?
Yes, you have to move to the UK!
Unless the Mbook is different from other Psions, you'll find the setting under International - Currency on the Control Panel.
Owen
Thought for the day:
Smile! It makes people wonder what you've been up to.
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain: +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 92053097
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 19:38:16 +0000
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: Scandinavian characters again
Howdy!
Axel Moberg wrote (> ):
> This raises
> the problem Owen is referring to, namely the risk
> of running out of keys. Yes, but some samples
> indicate that هنِ constitute about 5% of the
> characters I normally write. While qw and '
> account for only about
> 0.05%. So it seems logical that the former deserve
> keys of their own,
> while one could banish the latter to Fn+key.
You're obviously not a touch typist... This would completely mess me up. I never actually look at the keyboard when typing, so this would be very confusing for me.
> 8) So, Zavorine's key mapper would have been
> interesting. But Zaworine seems to have moved to
> another website, and there are no user
> contributions there.
I can send you my settings file for a Norwegian keyboard, It's only a tiny file. However, it's not difficult to make your own settings. Key Mapper installs to the Control Panel. I'm sure someone else with a quicker Internet connection than me can send you Key Mapper if it's not available from the site. It is Freeware, so there shouldn't be any objection to someone else sending it to you.
> 9) Remapper might have been a solution.
This will do exactly the same as Key Mapper, only less elegantly.
> 10) Which leaves us with Klaus's suggestion of
> keybLayout. I have installed it on my MC218, and
> it works. Thanks a lot, Klaus. And you say
> it works on netbook as well?
Again, Key Mapper does the same, but more elegantly.
Owen
Thought for the day:
Just because you''re paranoid, it doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you.
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 20:59:13 +0000
From: Ian Chapple
Subject: Re. Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
Jim,
>> When I use sheet on my Malaybook, i see pounds rather than dollars. I can't seem to find a preference setting to change it. Is here one short of changing the OS (not that bothered by it)? <<
Try Control Panel - International - Currency.
Cheers, Ian.
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 21:26:42 +0000
From: Astrid Stappenbeck
Subject: Re: DIC
Hi Andy,
> Astrid ... went on to ask if anyone an idea where to find the language files for Ottfried Cheong's freeware DIC ? <
> Regarding the latter, A Google search "Ottfried Cheong epoc" found one item -
http://www.mitsystems.hu/letoltes/epoc_freeware.html
I am afraid that it will need translating but there is a DIC in there 3/4 of the way down the page. Whether this will lead you to what you want in the end I don't know, but it may be a step further along the path to enlightenment! <
Thank you for your efforts, I had found that one myself but the files you mention are 'just' the program itself and the Japanese dictionary and fonts. I had been on the original homepage where a good many language files were listed. Just bookmarked but didn't download them and now they're gone.
:-(
Astrid
PS: Itamar, it has nothing to do with Psion dictionary/ thesaurus files. DIC is a bilingual dictionary program. It works a bit like TrueTerm (program + additional language files) but is much smaller, more basic and freeware. You can even create/ convert language files yourself.
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 21:26:45 +0000
From: Astrid Stappenbeck
Subject: Re: Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
Hi Jim,
> When I use sheet on my Malaybook, i see pounds rather than dollars. I can't seem to find a preference setting to change it. Is here one short of changing the OS (not that bothered by it)? <
Go to the control panel, select International, choose Currency and set it to dollars.
Astrid
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 21:26:48 +0000
From: Astrid Stappenbeck
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
Antony,
your rant came over as extremely unfriendly. You might not like these kind of posting but that is no reason to get personal. Was it really necessary to post such a lengthy diatribe to comment on a few lines?
BTW, there are good reason for posting multiple messages rather than one with many topics.
If you archive not whole digests but just topics of interest.
If you want to reply to a single topic only.
If you use Rolf Vonau's excellent DigHandler.
Astrid
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 21:50:27 +0000
From: Christopher Marwood
Subject: T610 and screen cables
Hello everyone
I know they have been posted here already, but could anyone repost GPRS and any other settings for the 5mx/Revo with the T610?
My supposedly new/improved POS screen cable has given up on me after just seven months so yet again I'm on my spare MC218. I just don't know if its worth getting the 5mx fixed again. I'm getting a Fujitsu lifebook and a s/h Axim. I'll see how it goes, but this is probably the end of Psions as far as I'm concerned.
Many thanks,
Chris
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 22:35:36 +0000
From: Timothy H.D. Williams
Subject: Spanish
On 16 Feb 2004, at 12:06, Epoc Digest wrote:
> I have the Berlitz Phrase Book software, but a Spanish - English > dictionary would be very handy. The Berlitz Phrase Book doesn't quite > work with the Revo screen though, but it is usable.
I have all the Psion dictionaries on my machine and go from one to another using Spell X. Get the Spanish dictionary because often enough the thesaurus will give you a good idea of the word's meaning.
Tim
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 22:56:57 +0000
From: Rolf Vonau
Subject: Re: DIC
Reference is made to the mail in the EPOC DIGEST V1 # 449 (9) :
Andy Hayes wrote at 15.02 2004 (> ):
> And then went on to ask if anyone an idea where to
> find the language files for Ottfried Cheong's
> freeware DIC ?
> Regarding the latter, A Google search "Ottfried
> Cheong epoc" found one item -
> http://www.mitsystems.hu/letoltes/epoc_freeware.html
> I am afraid that it will need translating but
> there is a DIC in there 3/4 of the way down the
> page. Whether this will lead you to what you want
> in the end I don't know, but it may be a step
> further along the path to enlightenment!
Hi Dic users,
unfortunately this Hungarian site contains only the main SIS files for Dic.app, 2 dictionaries "English-Hungarian" and vv and the manual in Hungarian.
As Dic is a very quick dictionary, I use it often (German - English and vv). Also I have the dics "German - Greek" and vv. If someone is interested in it, ask me by PM.
If someone want to use Dic for other languages, I'm able to convert any dictionary (Indo-Germanic language) into DIC form. For that send me the dictionary in Word or Sheet form, and I will return it to you in Dic form.
--
Best Regards
Rolf
Munich
http://home.arcor.de/rhvonau/index.htm
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 23:09:49 +0000
From: Timothy H.D. Williams
Subject: Potter, Psion, Linux
On 16 Feb 2004, at 12:06, Itamar wrote:
> Linux Portables from Psion - Are you not running ahead a little ? No > one has said that Psion will return to the PDA market.
Psion is left with Teklogix. What does Teklogix make? Industrial handhelds.
That is where the Netbook started life. The industrial Netpad I now use full time is little different from the 5mx - just better and sturdier - and five times as costly.
An interesting article at Foxpop
> http://www.foxpop.co.uk/hpc/netbook_06.htm
shows just how crummy Wince is on the Netbook.
Psychologically, I'd've thought a whizz kid like Potter needs to be back in the driver's seat. He can't be very pleased that his brainchild - the Psion - in its most recent version is running someone else's crappy OS. Rather than falling on Potter's deaf ears, the petition to keep ER5 for the Netbook told him precisely what he knew. He, like us, knows that he can produce a better OS than Wince or Palm. I imagine
that free of Nokia's constraints he will be aiming at the dual market of pda/industrial handhelds. And by making Linux based machines, he
will be opening his machines up to a vast market.
Of course I may be wrong. Perhaps he's going to cash in his chips and head back to South Africa.
Tim
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 23:47:59 +0000
From: Trygve Henriksen
Subject: Thoughts....
Greetings!
Antony wrote:
> The problem with adding off topic pointless anecdotes (and often
> completely wrong) to the end of messages is that once encountered,
> it is too late not to read them.
The same could also be saif about your post....
(You're very close to being labeled as a 'troll', and no, I don't mean the type that lives under a bridge...)
> Question: How off topic can I make my thoughts for the day? Can my
> thoughts be about wishing harm to others? Maybe they could be
> remarks to insult an individual, disguised as light humour? A political
> point of view?
It is considered rude to have messages about religion and politics(unless its about voters in florida), and 'wishing harm to others' is a definite no-no.
> Strange. I don't recall you posting a similar message when the 'Thought
> for the day' in digest #446 was: -
> "Anthony's Law of force:
> Don't force it, get a larger hammer."
That one isn't about you, or didn't you notice the spelling difference?
My middle name is Antoni, maybe I should be angry at your name which is clearly a misspelling of mine?
> What about this one in #448? :There are a lot more horse's asses
> than there are horses.
> Is this an attempt to insult someone (possibly me for the 'Thought for
> the day' you are responding to) or is it simply a harmless anecdote?
Both are common quotes found in most 'cookie' programs, and as far as I know, Owen uses a random algorithm macro to insert them in his posts.
The fact that they may or may not have relevance to a topic is pure coincidence. If Owen wanted to insult you, I believe he wouldn't bother to do it in such a roundabout way...
Anyway, I like the quotes, and if you force Owen to stop, I'll have to start myself...
:-(
Trygve
Thought of the day:
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you...
(Look, I rewrote that one just for you :-)
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 00:23:36 +0000
From: Neville Smith
Subject: 5mx Not Recognising CF card "Disk not present"
I count myself very fortunate to have bought a new 5mx within 8 hours of my old one dying from a screen cable death.
But the new 5mx does not seem to recognise CF cards, even though they can be read by other units. Cannot detect them from the PC via PsiWin either. Am I missing some critical initialisation procedure?
(I spent hours looking at Palm, iPaq, Sony etc as a possible replacement, but they are just executive toys compared with the 5mx).
Thanks - Neville in Melbourne
Neville Smith
0408 959 123
emAlt em
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 08:37:20 +0000
From: Roman Frotz
Subject: New Psions with Linux in Q3?
Hi all,
many of you may have already read that, but just a few days after stepping out of Symbian, David Potter announced a sub-notebook by Q3 2004 and a handheld with a miniature keyboard (!!!) shortly afterwards.
Details at: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14164
Let's hope that this is not only vapor (hard)ware....
Ciao,
Roman
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 08:55:12 +0000
From: Alan Jones
Subject: Reply to Antony Booth
Antony,
You seem to be suffering from sense of humour failure. What harm can it do to you to scan past these two lines or so -and leave them there for those of us who, like me, find them often more interesting than anything in the digest.... especially gripes from people about what is or isn't included. If it doesn't interest me I just scroll quickly past it.
My favourite so far? Can't remember who was responsible for this one:
"I thought it was the light at the end of the tunnel, but it was just a man with a torch bringing more work"
AJ
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 10:09:45 +0000
From: Chris S Handley
Subject: Re: Backups, Thought for the day, CronTab fix
Subject: Backups
ian chapple wrote:
> Obviously, sometimes, but not always, an app located on D: or
> E: can be run instead of a newer version on C:.
Not quite! I was sure someone would reply on this thread with the correct answer, but since no-one has yet, here's how EPOC handles it:
When EPOC trys to load an application or other system file, it will check the disks in this order: Y, X, W, V, ..., D, C, B, A, Z. In other words the "bottom" drive letter is checked first, except for Z (the ROM) which is always checked last.
If EPOC appears to not always work like this, it is probably because you have only recently inserted a new disk & it takes a while for the System to use it. You can see this from how long it takes icons to appear on the Extras bar when you insert a new disk.
Additionally, there is no problem of having a backup copy of a (patched) application in the same folder the actual application. Epoc expects the app to have a very specific name, and this is unique (per disk).
I.e. For application Xyz, Epoc will only try to run the the program file ":\System\Apps\Xyz\Xyz.app". Therefore a backup named "Xyz.app_ORIG" will not be a problem, even though it has the same UID.
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Chris Handley
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Antony Booth wrote:
Subject: Thought for the day
> The problem with adding off topic pointless anecdotes (and
> often completely wrong) to the end of messages is that once
> encountered, it is too late not to read them.
> Is this an attempt to insult someone (possibly me for the
> 'Thought for the day' you are responding to) or is it simply
> a harmless anecdote? Either way I feel this and all other
Hello Anthony,
While I personally wish people would stop adding (irrelevant) anecdotes & quotes to the end of their messages (and have indeed said so more than once), I don't think you are going to win any people to your cause by being slightly insulting about some digest members :-(
Also, I think you are seeing motive where none exists (commonly refered to as paranoia) - I think they are simply random anecdotes, unlike your "Thoughts for the day" which are rather specific.
OTOH, your misconstruing these anecdotes & quotes *is* a reason itself for not wanting them used - no-doubt some other people have also misconstrued them.
Personally, I have a greater dislike for large "signatures" appended to emails, since it is (or at least used to be) considered bad netiquette for many reasons. If I was to start pointing fingers (not usually a good idea IMHO), then I would suggest Owen's 11-13 line signature was far beyond a sensible size.
But since the majority of this list seem happy with how things are, I don't think things are going to change. And well, there are many more important things in life to get upset about...
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Chris Handley
Thought for the day: If people had to manually write their email signature every time, then it could never grow to a silly size... It would also give the signatures a more personal touch.
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Itamar Engelsman wrote:
Subject: CronTab fix
> I am glad that Pascal apparently has been
> found and is prepared to hand over the codes. Does that
> include the code for Macro5 ?
Sorry, but you'll have to wait for an official announcement from the relevant party(s) to find out more. Things are likely to move slower than you would like, since Pascal is very busy & can only occasionally check his email.
Regards,
Chris Handley
P.S. If it wasn't clear, I am not the one who will be handling new versions of CronTab. There is simply no point, since I don't use it.
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 12:48:56 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Ex-Shareware List, "going" rate, Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook, Thought for the
Answer to: Andy Hayes
Re.: Ex-Shareware List - I "found" on my Psion a database file called "PSION-Software v3.08". It is a complete list of all Psion programs for the EPOC platform with name of author, language it is written in, website address. It is 2.1 M in size. Let me know if you want it for cross checking purposes.
Answer to: Owen
Re. "going" rate - The rate various sellers obtain in places like eBay. I don't think you can measure "the mileage of the screen cable" as it is not only a factor of age but also how many times you opened and closed it, how hard or soft you did it, etc.
Answer to: Jim Watson-Gove
Re. Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook - Try Control panel, International, Currency and change the $ sign to a £ sign.
Answer to: Antony
Re. Thought for the day - Point taken but believe it or not, your quotations were new for me as I for one do NOT look at these thoughts for the day. As I said before, the majority consensus was to leave these in and also to censor as little as possible. I am afraid we will not be able to please everybody all the time, but at least hope we please eeverybody some of the time and some of you all the time <G>.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 12:48:58 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: S7 screen calibration,
Answer to: Adam Carter
Re.: S7 screen calibration - Did you try to press "hardish" on the Series 7 sign above the keyboard and than recalibrate the S7 again in the control panel ? It always worked for me and kept the S7 well calibrated again for a considerable length of time.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 17 Feb 2004 12:56:15 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: mBook embleme
Can one get somewhere a little sticker to stick over the empty space above the keyboard ? I "hate" to look at that empty sapace with the screw showing.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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