- Re: The Digest V1 # 612

- Re: My psion Ghost Icon

- RE: new TubeRoute released

- Re: UIQ Phones

- 5mx to Mac using VP 612

- Deleted files on 5mx

- Never ending discussions on non Symbian OS

- P910i - Calendar, UIQ multi-tasking, p910 etc,

- P910 - email & BMW bluetooth

- Handy Day 2004 and a P910i from Orange

- CF-recovery and Backup (not only for Mac): 5mx to Mac using VP 612

- Q re web-access in San Diego/US

- Nokia 7710

Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:07:24 +0100
From: Bernard Hill
Subject: Re: The Digest V1 # 612

P800 points:

1. Battery. I bought a spare battery on eBay from a company in Hong Kong. It is rated at 1260mAH rather than the 1000 which came with my P800. It seems to work OK except that the battery icon is permanently empty, ie all white! Any comments?

2. In the month or so I've had it, I've had about 5 requests for a reset (the screen indicates that I press OFF button for 10 seconds). No
problem ensues but it's disconcerting.

3. Before a call is received it emits 3 clicks. No great sweat, but it emits 3 clicks at other, seemingly random times too. Anyone had this?

4. The handwriting recognition is mostly OK: but just sometimes it seems to be far too slow. No matter how slowly I write the character it sees
it as odd lines and the "cursor" jumps all over the place. I revert to the virtual keyboard, and the next time I use handwriting it's fine.

5. I can comment TomeRaider for those who are interested. I have it on 5 devices: Windows, Palm, P800, netBook, Psion 5. It's a read-only
database so you have to rely on the databases available on the net. However the International Movie Database is great (and well known) as is UKDATA for information on places you visit on holiday. Encyclopaedias
and Dictionaries (English and foreign) abound. See www.tomeraider.com for further info. The data I have runs to over 50Mb so obviously it sits on the memory card.

Otherwise I am preferring the P800 to all my personal organisers except my netBook, which is of course not competing in the same stakes! I also have a Tunsten T which I am using rather than the P800's lame Agenda. (But the TT I bought as a chess computer, running the excellent Hiarcs!
- but find the diary function much better than P800).


--
Bernard Hill
Selkirk, Scotland

Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:26:36 +0100
From: Jack
Subject: Re: My psion Ghost Icon

Nigel Elbourne  encountered
>>>......  a non-functional icon looking like a folder which I can position anywhere I like on the desktop but cannot move from there nor delete.>>>>

Re :
Hi Nigel,
Use regCleaner.zip 6Ko
from
http://www.mgmcc.myby.co.uk/
5mx/ Download
HTH
Jack

Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:48:16 +0100
From: John Morris
Subject: RE: new TubeRoute released

To Chris Handley

Firstly, congratulations & thanks for putting the software out to us all.

I'm sorry, but was the tag line "P.S.  I'm sure Rolf B will still have fun finding some fault or other with it ;-)" really necessary?
Rolf and others (like you, indeed) have provided many of us with lots of useful information, strong views on lots of subjects and occasional intemperate language.
Here, however, you are effectively starting a new thread with implied criticism of another contributor, which will possibly lead to insults flying to & fro, and then somebody leaving the digest in a huff and depriving the majority of us from future useful messages.

John Morris, Cambs UK

Date: 16 Oct 2004 17:03:44 +0100
From: Mike Dyer
Subject: Re: UIQ Phones

Hi all,

Firstly do people have to discuss windows Vs linux on this digest it's well off topic. Who cares about desktop operating systems anyway, palmtops are much more important  :o)

Regarding 'Handy Day' , well I tried this Itamar but I believe that 'Active Desk' is the nicer program...

Regarding bluetooth and battery usage, I've never failed to get a full days usage out of the p800 BUT I tend to switch off bluetooth unless I intend to use it, also if the p800 is switched on in my car I invariably have it plugged into the cigarette lighter...

Regarding the handwriting recognition, I went back to the built in keyboard in the end with 'eZiTap' predictive word software but I still got frustrated. I have only been truely happy with text entry since getting my Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard.

Talking of which...

Reply to Mark Kenepp:

wow so that's why I cannot select 'List View' from the applications page anymore, thankfully by the sound of it, it is stuck on the 'Icon View' and I can still get at all my apps.

This is a real bug if down to the think outside driver, I wonder if they are aware of it?

Linking incoming caller to contacts information has also stopped working at the same time - coincidence???

UIQ is surely the most windoze like epoc/symbian os, it's fine when it's a clean install but start filling the thing up with applications and watch the stability disappear   :o(

I still love the keyboard though, it helps stop me considering smashing the phone in frustration which used to happen before I bought it. My one piece of advise to an ex Psioneer would be to buy a keyboarded clamshell i.e. a Nokia Communicator 9500/9300, if you're anything like me you *need* a keyboard and a landscape display.

I wish someone would write a landscape screen driver for UIQ  :o/

Regards,
Mike Dyer.

Date: 16 Oct 2004 18:52:40 +0100
From: Vlad A
Subject: 5mx to Mac using VP 612

For any DT-Mac beyond and including B&W you'll need something like GeeThree, which adds a parallel port (replaces the internal modem, though). If you have OS X you might have a problem defining a parallel port in the System configuration, I can't help you there.

VPC functions okay, slow of course. Once you install VPC and the Psion software into it, it all functions according to the manuals (mostly...). You'll have to learn the basics of Win, though.

Please do a search for Mac and/or Apple in the Digest-Archive, you'll find many useful tips. Here a few links that also prove useful:

http://www.simonwilliams.com/html/psion5macothertips.html
http://www.simonwilliams.com/html/psion5maclinking.html

Here you will find detailed answers to many questions (recently update for OS X, v. 10.2 -10.3!):
http://www-np.unimaas.nl/maas/s5/

Imo, the bottom line is: there are many other better solutions for data-exchange between Mac and Psion.
There's probably no other solution for TomTom CityMaps.

Hope this helps.

best,

vlad a

Date: 16 Oct 2004 19:26:57 +0100
From: Stéphane Sage
Subject: Deleted files on 5mx

Hello all!

To: Terry Waller

Terry, may be "Recycle Bin" can help you retrieving your accidentally deleted files: I have not tried it myself, but it is supposed to work the same way as its equivalent does in Windoze. See at Tucows:

http://www.pilotzone.com/epoc/preview/131720.html

Hope this helps.

Stephane (Grenoble, France).

Date: 16 Oct 2004 19:55:58 +0100
From: Stéphane Sage
Subject: Never ending discussions on non Symbian OS

Hello all!

To: Rolf Brunsting

Hi Rolf. Sorry you would have preferred a personal e-mail on that topic, but I never meant to be "personal" towards you. I only picked you out because you are by far the most together pungent and well documented debater in this forum: not my fault if you stand in front...:-)

Incidentally, I could not make any sense out of your fourth remark on English not being everyone's first language on The Digest, as I am French myself...but I truly admire (without any undue flattering) your command of the said language.

Anyway, I will now follow Itamar's advice and skip along whenever I am not in the mood to enjoy your hot OS debates with Anthony Booth, Chris Handley, Martin Maxwell or Wong Koi Hin...(nothing personal, here again, :-)


Stephane (Grenoble, France)

Date: 17 Oct 2004 02:23:31 +0100
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: P910i - Calendar, UIQ multi-tasking, p910 etc,

Answer to: Martin Maxwell & Kevin Thorne

Re.: P910i - Calendar - Yes, but you will have noticed my later messages about "Handy Day", a calendar program that much more closely resembles the EPOC diary.

Answer to: Steve Litchfield & Bernard Hill

Re.: UIQ multi-tasking - Yes, you are right. However, what does it give us besides a faster opening as it is still in memory ?  For example, if I send emails out and at the same time go back to my diary, will the program continue to send out the emails ?   Bernard, on the EPOC machines you can run programs simultaneously, having both be active and doing something, like sending emails and at the same time checking a DATA base.

Answer to: Mike Dyer

Re.: p910 etc - Thanks, and yes, I do understand the advantage of a bluetooth keyboard. The screen is cleare than I thought, but I did not yet get around to playing with Quickword and Quicksheet. I just got my email working late Firday with help of Vodafone, more later. I did not know about "Active Desk" and opted for the Handy Day program as it came bundled with the DATA program for an attractive price. Do you have any idea how these two compare ?   Ring tones ok, but the T610 just came with many more ringtones standard. Can one move ringtones from the T610 to the P910 ?

Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK

Date: 17 Oct 2004 02:23:32 +0100
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: P910 - email & BMW bluetooth

[Don't worry, I iwll keep the emails coming until I have fully exhausted my knowledge of this new machine]

Thursday I tried to activate the email program to send and receive emails and set it all up as per Vodaphone requirements. For one reason or another I could not get it to work and Friday i tried to contact technical support. Well, try and contact them. Each time you try you have to go through customer support and give all your details again, they try to put you through and come back again that all lines are busy. It took me many trials and until 3.30 pm until I sort of blew up at them and finally got to speak to someone.

The guy went with me through the settings that were slightly different than I was used to with the mBook and it all came to live. Downloaded some headers and some messages and sent out a trial one. Impressions :

- the screen is still very clear when reading emails, and a .doc attachment opened quite quickly in Quickword and also reasonably well readable. Of course you loose some of the initial formatting as you can't see the full page in it's width.
- I find the emails somewhat fiddly to find. On the EPOC machines you press one button and you are in the email program, here you press the envelope icon and get a list of accounts including the SMS and emails. and than choose the account you want to see. However, from within Handy Day you ahve an icon to start programs and choose directly "new message"
- with GPRS the speed is as amazing as it is with the mBook.
- in the set-up you have the choice to first download the headers only, to download messages up to a certain size of your choice or to download all messages. After downloading the messages are not deleted from ISP mailbox, this happens only when you delete the messages from your phone mailbox next time you connect. So when traveling you can theoretically not delete any messages on your phone and still find them all back when you get home again and download mail on your PC or EPOC machine again.

Altogether I think it works well and certainly a help when traveling and needing to read some important emails tha tmight have come in. I think I would put it in "headers only" and only download emails I really need to read immediately, leaving the balance for the evening of at a stop or lunch break to use my mBook.


As to the BMW bluetooth, Vodaphone told me there is indeed a compatibillity problem and they are talking to BMW about how to solve it as BMW owners continue to phone them about their problems with these cars for most of the newer handsets. They advised me to buy a cradle for the phone and use voice action to make outgoing calls from the phonebook memory. Well, I'll have to change cars now ....<BG>.

Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK

Date: 17 Oct 2004 19:08:57 +0100
From: Grant Mearns
Subject: Handy Day 2004 and a P910i from Orange

I wholehearted agree with Itamar that Handy Day is an essential application for any UIQ device.

Unfortunately, to my detriment, I've discovered that my Orange branded P910i contains a cack piece of software that is solidly attached to the 'home' icon and cannot be overruled by any application as the default app when the flip is opened. This is utterly infuriating! Not only that, but you cannot assign any other icon/app to the top-left icon position. Blimey, it beggars belief what some Product Managers think they are doing - I know, I used to work with Orange Product Managers...

Why cripple one of the most important functions of any smartphone? I mean, surely the user knows best what they want their phone to do, especially when SE ship the phone with the capability of have assignable icons/features. What any annoying bunch of pr*ts.

I'm well P'd off as you can probably tell :(

Not only that, but I'm unable to assign any of the hardware buttons (using Handy Day) to perform any other function other than the default, Orange knows best, functions. I can only hope that some bright, enthusiastic programmer can find a way to get around this most annoying and unnecessary limitation.

Hey, I'm a Product Manager!
Hey, I'm so great my ego is so big!!
Hey, I've just put my own personal stamp on this product to nurture my ego!!!
Hey, my company loves me!!!!
Hey, don't you just love me too!!!!!

Pr*ts

Kind regards

Grant

Date: 17 Oct 2004 21:25:33 +0100
From: Vlad A
Subject: CF-recovery and Backup (not only for Mac): 5mx to Mac using VP 612

another backup solution I just discovered is CompuApps.com OnBelay,
a recovery and backup app for Mac (both OS), Win and Linux.

It seems to be designed to recover deleted photos from various camera media, but it will format and backup/restore any such medium and individual files on it. Haven't tried it extensively, but it seems to be a good solution for those who have problems with corrupted CF-cards switched between platforms (it creates a closed image-document of the backed-up volume instead of an open folder with loose documents/folders).

The last OS 9 version is two years old and has a bug: the trial period is over. Just use any app that can see and edit invisible docs (ResEdit, UtilityDog etc.), and modifiy the date of the "OnBelay Perferences" (sic!) file in the Preferences folder of the Mac start-volume; the trial period will be 14 days after that.

If anyone tries it, please let me know how the X version works...

Hope this helps someone.

vlad a

Date: 18 Oct 2004 00:42:16 +0100
From: Vlad A
Subject: Q re web-access in San Diego/US

Can anyone please help with an easy tip on Internet-access provider in San Diego/US? Thanks!

Btw, if any of you happens to live around there, let's drink a glass of whatever it is you drink over there... ;-)

best,

vlad

Date: 18 Oct 2004 06:42:17 +0100
From: Mike Dyer
Subject: Nokia 7710

Hi all,
            has anyone seen the prototype photos of this phone? I'd post a link but unfortunately I'm on the Libretto offline at the moment.

The 7710 is only slightly larger than the p800 but the whole side of the phone is a landscape screen, I don't know at this stage weather Nokia intend to target this phone at consumers and therefore fill it with toys, or business users and fill it with word and sheet etc.

But this could potentially be a killer device coupled with a bluetooth keyboard...

My two big gripes about the Nokia 9300 are the lack of a camera but mostly the lack of a slient alert vibrate, this is a must for me and will currently stop me buying the up and coming Nokia clamshells.

Regards,
Mike,
In anticipation.