- Re: The Digest V1 # 631

- Re: Phone stores- Re: Handy Day 2004/2005

- Re: Data to Contacts

- No self-recharging 5mx

- Re: 7Book and "What is my machine? Can I WiFi?"

- Reflections on moving to Palm

- Re: PsiWin - XP - Belkin USB

- Internet Access via mobile, Backup Inspector, Other programs P910,

Date: 13 Nov 2004 23:40:57 +0700
From: Rolf Brunsting <address truncated>
Subject: Re: The Digest V1 # 631

Dear Mike,

<< I also am dismayed that most developers issue a licence
based on your phones imei number, what happens if the phone gets stolen, or damaged, or malfunctions? >>

Most software developers do realise that a mobile phone can
get stolen stolen or damaged all too easily. One moment of inattention and you've dropped your phone on a concrete floor, damaging it beyond repair. I therefore think that most developers will accept these situations and
supply you with a new registration key when you give them the IMEI of your stolen/damaged/malfunctioning phone as well as the IMEI of the phone that replaces it.

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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

Date: 13 Nov 2004 23:54:40 +0700
From: Rolf Brunsting <address truncated>
Subject: Re: Phone stores

Dear Bob,

<< As far as smart phones go, like Itamar, it would be nice
to see these phones in the shops so that you could look at them and play
with them.  As expensive as they are, it would be nice to shop around and
make an informed decision before buying >>

I'm sure you can investigate them but it depends a bit on
where you're living. I live in a rural area and the phone stores in the nearest town (Steenwijk) don't stock smartphones as it's a rather small
town. I need to go to the larger towns of Meppel, Zwolle or even Leeuwarden
as they have the big phone stores that have almost every mobile phone
that's on the market in stock.

---
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

Date: 14 Nov 2004 22:38:39 +0700
From: Rolf Brunsting <address truncated>
Subject: Re: Handy Day 2004/2005

Dear Chris,

<< Itamar : it is new because the application was designed and
developed from the beginning. NO any functionality or any
parts of
source code of old Handy Day 2004 is transfered to Handy
Day 2005.

Chris : The customer should not need to know that, so it is
a spurious
arguement. >>

I fully understand why Itamar considers Handy Day 2005 to
be an upgrade
of Handy Day 2004. Still, we're dealing with the
relationship between
supplier and customer. One of the things the customer has
to do is to
find out what the software product really is. After all,
when the
customer opts for the product (s)he'll get the product
rather than what
(s)he imagines the product to be. When Epocware says that
Handy Day
2005 has been written from scratch and contains a new
function set it's
possible to check whether that's the case by comparing the
description
and specifications of Handy Day 2004 with those of Handy
Day 2005. When
they are markedly different it demonstrates that Epocware
does have a
point. Well ... accept the point that Epocware didn't take
the source
code of Handy Day 2004 and changed/enhanced some of its
functionality
in order to create Handy Day 2005 ... that Handy Day 2005
*is* brand
new.

<< Again, they should be far more careful about offering
things for
free, since they already know that people like things for
free! >>

That consumer like to get things for free doesn't mean that
the
consumer doesn't understand that the Nokia 6230 mobile
phone that's
advertised in the newspaper for _0.= isn't for free. The
consumer is
intelligent enough to realise that what the mobile network
operator
pays Nokia for a 6230 has to be earned back. In other
words, that you
don't pay for the 6230 up front but pay for it in the form
of call
charges. Epocware can therefore rely on the intelligence of
the
customer to realise that an application that's been written
from
scratch doesn't *necessarily* qualify as an upgrade.

What finally counts is whether what Epocware says about
upgrades on
it's web site implies that Handy Day 2005 is to be supplied
for free.
Itamar bought Handy Day 2004 and what Epocware says is part
of the
purchase contract. Though I have a fair knowledge of consumer
protection law I'm not qualified to answer the question.
Could very
well be that Epocware is entitled to charge it's existing
Handy Day
users for Handy Day 2005. Leaving Epocware the choice
between charging
or not charging.

---
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

Date: 14 Nov 2004 22:57:43 +0700
From: Rolf Brunsting <address truncated>
Subject: Re: Data to Contacts

Dear Itamar,

<<  I exported one contact only to a xxx.csv file and
opened it with Sheet. The fields are NOT there at all. Do it yourself ... >>

Which is what I did on my Series 7. I exported a single
contact as well as all my contacts to v.Card files and the home address information is completely there in the file. Difference is that I didn't
import these files in Sheet but opened them in the EPOC Text Editor as the v.Card format is text-only.

---
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

Date: 16 Nov 2004 09:36:24 +0700
From: U Hornstein <address truncated>
Subject: No self-recharging 5mx

Reference is made to the mail in the The Digest V1 # 636 :
> Apparently, there is a small current leak in the 5mx
> which will put a very small charge into the internal
> batteries. Not enough to be really useful if you
> normally use your Psion away from external power, but
> enough to keep NiMH cells from self-discharging (as they
> normally do) if you mostly keep your Psion connected.

Hello list,

several people reported about this small charge current. I
did not believe it and took out my multimeter: it is not true. If I connect
my MC218=Psion5mx to the Original Psion power supply and measure the
current INTO the batteries (fresh alkalines, having 3.04 Volts without
load): the current is -0.059 mA or 59 ?A flowing OUT of the batteries - no charge, but a slight discharge!
I repeated the test with 2 NiMH rechargeables of 2.71V,
unloaded: 50?A going OUT of the batteries with the Psion switched on.Interestingly, this current rises to about 52?A when the
Psion is switched off.
If I disconnect the power supply the current rises to about
1.1 mA OUT of the NiMH. This is the current taken day and night from the
NiMH (or alkalines) when the Psion is switched off. It will rise somewhat
when the voltage of the batteries drops over time.

So, if you want your rechargeables being recharged while
still in the Psion, go, as Rolf Vonau reported, to www.elektronikstore.de/psionstore . They do all
kind of repairs and amendments to your Psion, including a
charging circuit. (I am not related to this company in any way and have not used their service).

I remember that there used to be a DIY project on this
topic somewhere in the depth of the www. You can always google for it.

PS: for the case that the ? character is not properly
tranferred over the email network: ? = mikro = 1E-6 = 1 / 1 000 000
--
With greetings from Germany
Ulrich Hornstein
For spam protection: Please NEVER type my mail address into
a www page ('send to a friend' or similar)!
Sent by MC218 (EPOC palmtop)

Date: 16 Nov 2004 15:33:25 +0700
From: Julie A Campbell <address truncated>
Subject: Re: 7Book and "What is my machine? Can I WiFi?"

Answer to Robertsont:

From the spec you quoted, it looks as though your machine
is S7 upgraded to 32MB  netBook - generally referred to as "7Book".  It
will almost certainly be possible to use it on WiFi with a low-power requirement card, such as the Buffalo one which has been previously
mentioned.  However, you will need to upgrade the netBook OS to Build 158
to provide it with full Ethernet support.  The OS is available for free download from the Psion Teklogix site - you will need to do a hard reset
before installing it, so backup your machine before you start.

To you and everyone else here interested in WiFi, there is
a lively section devoted to this on the Psion Place forums at PDA Street,
with lots of personal experiences documented and plenty of help for anyone starting out, so drop in if you need any more assistance!  We can help with sorting out card compatibility issues, and with getting a system up and running.

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums//forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=79

There's plenty of information too in the 7Book and netBook
general forums, clarifying the differences between the various machines,
plus lots of useful stuff for anyone considering machine upgrades.

Hope that helps.

Julie

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Date: 16 Nov 2004 21:58:48 +0700
From: Steve Hodgson <address truncated>
Subject: Reflections on moving to Palm

While not directly related to EPOC or Symbian, I thought it
may be of interest to list some factors arising with moving from a Psion to
a Palm handheld. After 10+ years of Psion use and a couple of years of prevarication I've finally jumped ship! I must admit that I feel that I
have been partly pushed there by Psion and would _never_ have switched if Psion had continued to develop and support their handhelds. The fact that
my netBook seen continues to fade was a final push.

This is very much a personal view rather than a definitive
guide.

While the whole experience of moving to a Tungsten T5 has
been pretty positive, there are one or two areas that are less satisfying
but nothing that is fundamentally flawed. What it has revealed to me is
that the jewel in Psion's crown is the Agenda application and the built-in suite of applications. The palm has nothing that even approaches these out
of the box. While the Psion agenda application has barely changed since the Psion 3 in the early 90's, it is way ahead of the Palm datebook
application. A third party application such as Datebk5 goes a long way to redress this balance but just try setting up an entry to repeat on the
first and third Thursday of each month or embedding anything more than a
text file! Datebk5 does provide an integrated via of both ToDo and calendar entries that is otherwise only available in the 'Today' view - it's an application I would recommend as worth checking out.

As the Tungsten is targeted at a 'corporate' market (i.e.
no camera etc) it includes the excellent Documents To Go program and this provides a capability for word processing and spreadsheets that probably matches (on balance) that on the Psion.

The process of transferring data over to the Palm has been
pretty painless largely because this is (in my experience) the only time
when Outlook Is Your Friend! I have never been a fan of synchronising my Agenda data with the desktop but doing so took 90% of the pain out of transferring PIM data from the Psion. Word and Sheet data was a simple
transfer and conversion via PsiWin then transferred over via Documents To
Go (after a few minor edits to fix differences between Sheet and Excel conventions).

The Tungsten does not include any sort of database
application but the JFile application provides a 'flat' database tool that provides a capability that exceeds that provided by the Data application on
the Psion. In my case data transfer was accomplished by exporting files to text files on the Psion, importing these to Access and then moving them to
the Palm using the JFConv utility. Hardly a pain-free process but not too technically challenging.

I am still in the process of transferring over my email
archive from the Psion using a process I have described here before. I have used MailArc to export the mail to a CSV text file then imported this to
Access where I will either covert it to a PDF file or a JFile database.
This is very much a work in progress and I may also try SaveMail again to
see if I can create a data file on the Psion as an alternative.

On the hardware front I _do_ miss a keyboard as Graffiti2 (aka Jot) is constantly frustrating me. On the other hand the small form
factor compared to a netBook and the fantastically bright screen (not even
the brightest Palm apparently) is a pleasure to use both indoors and
outdoors. The geek pleasure associated with synching with a PowerBook via Bluetooth and iSync can not be overstated! Email and SMS via IR and my
Nokia 6210 were very simple to setup - Bluetooth would be better but this setup works for me at the moment.

Overall I am upbeat about the move but will miss using a
Psion as I have been a fan boy for years. It will be interesting to see how green the grass is in six months.

Apologies for the long post. I do hope it is of interest to
some subscribers.
--
Regards,

Steve
Hodgson                          mailto:stev<address truncated>

Date: 16 Nov 2004 22:42:45 +0700
From: Keith Giles <address truncated>
Subject: Re: PsiWin - XP - Belkin USB

Alan Morris asks about using a Belkin USB - I assume he
means a USB/Serial cable. I could never get a Belkin to work, but I bought
a USB/Serial cable from Clove and it works just fine. Label on one side
says "USB Converter". On the other side, "Model U232-P9" - no company name given.

Happy Cycling,
Keith
Sunnyvale, CA
http://ohsix827.home.comcast.net

Thought For The Day: Nobody has ever bet enough on a
winning horse.

All my outgoing e-mails have been checked by Norton Anti-virus.

Date: 17 Nov 2004 01:25:30 +0700
From: Itamar Engelsman <address truncated>
Subject: Internet Access via mobile, Backup Inspector, Other programs P910,

Answer to: Larch

Re.: Internet Access via mobile - No, you cannot use _any_
phone to connect, it must have a modem and must be compatible. I suggest
you look at the website of Mike McConnell to find further details about
phones and settings, http://www.mikemcc.org.uk. If you want to know whether your phone connects to your Psion, go into the COMMS and try the AT command
and enter and see if you get "OK" from the phone in reply. You can than try ATD and the number and see if it dials out. Let us know how you get along.

Answer to: Arabbitte

Re.: Backup Inspector - That is strange, with me it works
without problems. Maybe you should try and install it again ? What I find irritating however is that it restores to the PC and not straight to the
phone. Maybe that will be added in the future ?
Re. Other programs P910 - JABP I also use on my mBook
extensively and I can't see how it can help me on such a small screen. Any comments ? can you transfer from one to the other ?  SMan is a good program
but I don't use it often. Some of the functions I have in Handy Day as well like the Task Manager, while I have not yet found the need to look at the files.    Let me add a few of my own :

Games : Sofar I have got chess, MobileOthello,
NikNakkPatience, Sokoban, Solitaire, Submarine and ZCheckers. No need to
say, all for free. Sokoban is a very old game which I remember i had on two floppy disks once upon a time <G>. ZCheckers is a high level game, it beat
me solidly on level 4. Submarine is a clone of battleship but not as good.Tools :  jZip, Pdf+, PStopwatch. Sofar I have not used
these. Contacts Control 2.0 gives you the total number of contacts as well
as the function to compress the contacts file. I use WolrdMoate quite a
lot, it gives times for 5 different cities on one screen as well as the weather forecasts downloaded from The Weather Channel. It also shows a map
of the world which parts have day and which night, currency rates and mumch more info like size converting, phone codes for countries, etc. I use the program Safe to store sensitive data. I downloaded Metro which is a useful program but I don't travel much by underground <G>. However, I can use it
when I go on holiday as you can download many different city details of
public transport. I downloaded DTMFdialer but have not used it as yet.
Finally, I received yesterday my free copy of Handy Desktop
which I wil write about in a separate message.

Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK